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枫下沙龙 / 谈天说地 / 至少有一点是真的,就是北京人非常骄傲的上北大清华的高考分数,要在外省,就最多只能上个一般大学,或许连重点大学都上不了.
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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你忘了一点,就是判卷的人不一样! 北京更严格!
-ocanada(ocanada);
2001-7-25
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How do you know? Have you done that job in both BJ and other province?
-mrviceroy(杀人者Daniel是也);
2001-7-25
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不对, 就算判卷的人不一样,难道一道题还有两个答案么?高考题的对和错是很严格的,不会说一道题在外省是对的,而到了北京就错了,或者半对吧,你说呢?
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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政治呢? 做文呢?
-ocanada(ocanada);
2001-7-25
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do you think the difference can be as high as 100 score?
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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还有做弊!!!
-ocanada(ocanada);
2001-7-25
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看来你是位北京人了，如果你不能没有偏见的看待这个问题,我想我们都不用在讨论了.
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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你是说我有偏见? 我怎么没觉得? 我也觉得北京的名额多对外地学生不公平啊!
-dennis2(Dennis);
2001-7-25
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我不是说你啊,贴错了嘛
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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we are in canada now. I feel canada is much better than beijing. since canada is fair.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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We needn't do that . I was in TJ . And my classmates get 698 and 678 . And they are in Priceton now . Are they cheating ?
How much you get ?
-guest:Guest;
2001-7-26
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语文、政治等分数的确跟判卷松紧有关。我86年考上清华，当时学号是按高考分数排的，班里的前10名全是北京学生。据说那是北京考生第一次扬眉吐气，因为那年北京判卷特松，我的语文考了118分，同班的一个上海人是60。
-guest:6字班;
2001-7-26
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Another reason is that the best shanghai students go to either JiaoDa or FuDan, QingHua and BeiDa usually get the second rate shanghai students. That's why you see the low scores from shanghai students.
-guest:shanghai;
2001-7-26
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北京人上北大清华的高考分数其实没什么可骄傲的, 平均比外地学生低. 我高考那年我们学校有40个人上清华(名列第二, 第一是清华附中, 70个), 而江西省全省也就40个上清华.
-dennis2(Dennis);
2001-7-25
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那是因为江西全省也就40个上清华的名额
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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没错, 北京人就是占了名额多的便宜.
-dennis2(Dennis);
2001-7-25
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Beijing (ren) enjoy too much special rights.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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It seems in 1984. you from No.4
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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你是不是89年高考？
-fionah(fiona);
2001-7-25
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nope. What's your point?
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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sorry, 我贴错了。我是问Dennis
-fionah(fiona);
2001-7-26
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87年
-dennis2(Dennis);
2001-7-26
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我知道89年清华附中高考是北京市第一，87年就不清楚了。那时我还没上高中呢。不过，清华附中每个年级都差不多300人，其他很多市重点多数只有一半人数。所以，你们学校升清华的人数虽然少快一半，但百分比应该大。
-fionah(fiona);
2001-7-26
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我们那届人就是多, 刚上高中时有6个班, 到了高三又分出去俩文科班, 变成了8个班, 总数也有三百来人. 我们那届高考北京市的状元就出在我们学校, 但其他学校不承认, 因为我们学校的政治用的是试用教材.
-dennis2(Dennis);
2001-7-27
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全国各地高考录取线相继公布 山东高出北京140分!
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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中国教育最大不公：高考分数线有地方歧视
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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中考还有性别歧视，为什么女生的录取分数线要比男生高？不公平！！！不知现在怎么样了。
-lazycat(lazycat);
2001-7-25
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你是哪一年中考的,反正我考的时候都一样了
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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xixi, 我也不是很老嘛，可能跟地区有关系吧，我指重点中学的录取分数线。
-lazycat(lazycat);
2001-7-25
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是啊，我也指的是重点中学的录取分数线.
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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就我所知，到91，92年中考还是这样的，以后我就不知道了，不知你是哪一年中考的？
-lazycat(lazycat);
2001-7-25
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北京的分数线不是最低的, 最低的是一些边疆省份如新疆, 云南等(iirc).
-dennis2(Dennis);
2001-7-25
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hehe ,打头的给删了,我这篇到成了主题了
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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这的确很不公平，北京每年毕业的学生有多少？大学录取的有多少？和其他省比比嘛！除非坚持北京人比非北京人优秀！（那就不讨论了）
-xxjjs(东方射日);
2001-7-25
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I can't agree with you. Score is only one part of admission. The total character are better than other provice even their score is lower.You can understand all chinese TOEFL , GRE, GMAT score are much higher than american. But do you think those who get highest score are best.
Don't fell unfair. The big city students are really good in average unlike from other provice. They really get much higher score, but they even don't know the role of football. They don't know how to use elevator, microwave. They don't know FB, FBI, CIA and ASIC, BtoB.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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这不是歧视是什么?
-zjoy(Joy);
2001-7-25
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Come on. You beijing ren enjoy too much special rights. there are differeces between beijing and other provinces. why not think what cause the differece.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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It's not my business. We respect history and de fact. We only do sth we can. We don't shoot sun because that meaningless
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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if you respect history, then you should respect the fact now.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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education system just help to wide this gap. very very unfair. beijing ren, arrogant, narrow minded.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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那你是认为北京人真的比非北京人优秀了?我想如果要讨论的话,这是一个很大的问题了,是先从中国的教育体制开始呢?还是从中国的经济发展开始?或者还有其他的?
-vivianwang(纤云);
2001-7-25
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absolutly.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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北京人当然优秀,没看见人家每个电梯里安一个司机么,你们那里的司机会开电梯么?
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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这就是北京的特色，要不，北京下岗工人多了，皇城根下乱了，那还了得！
-xxjjs(东方射日);
2001-7-25
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是的,也许他们真的不会摆弄电梯,微波炉.....他们不懂足球.....可是关键在于有没有给他们一个平等的机会,只要机会均等,他们不比大城市的人笨.
-flying_snow(飞雪浮冰);
2001-7-25
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It's unfair, but it has history reason. We need time to evolution. At mean time, we need to respect the fact. From human right, it's unfair. From result, there are no much difference for country.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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i really think you are stupid. we must respect every person, do you understand. we must know that how many students's fates have been chagned by this system.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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If the chang or reform will make country unstable, do you still want that.Look at the rassia. They get the democratic, equal right and everything we dream before. But they lost bread. For most people, nothing chang better, even worse.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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do not change the topic. do not use this excuse such as unstable. You just want to maintain your beijing special rights.You mean that cancel your special right will cause unstable. ridiculous. and we "waidi ren" can stand your special rights. we "waidi ren " do not know how to protect ourselves. we "wai di ren" are so good that for "stable", we can stand the unequall. we "wai di ren" seems to be too considerate. we "wai di ren" should support your special right only because if you lose the right, the whole country will get worse.
such stupid message.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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No, I don't care. We achieve that score in that enviroment. If chang law of the game, we promise to achieve the high score as you did.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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What i said is always the facts, but what you said is always your own imagination!!!!!
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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why not ask Canada Government that give some special rights for the people from Beijing. you get used to the special rights.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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We don't need that. In fact, when we leave beijing, without the prioty, we still are best.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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why not tell us that you need not special care in education system??
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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Ridiculers! Are you indicating knowing how to use 'micro waver, football role and such’ means better ‘total character’? Also how do you know those who got high GRE, TOEFL are doing worsethan the American counterparts? Why don't you investigate a bit how many ASIC desingers are beijingers.? By the way, the usage of ‘total character’ is ...
-found(BeeGee);
2001-7-25
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chinese score is much higher than america, but how many get norbel prize. how many become bill gates or dell. Look at the chief engineer, how many are chinese? We are just technical labour.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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one reason is because you beijing ren are stupid. waidi ren lost the chance to be educated, and you beijingren have the chance but you are too stupid to be good enough.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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I didn't say whole chinese in US are from beijing. In fact, majority are from whole china. I just compare beijing from other provice to china to US. I just want to say high score don't mean high quality
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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you are so stupid. you can not even understand what I am saying. I do not want to interupt this mathematics to you.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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Americans don’t have to take TOEFL first, and Bill Gates didn’t have to take both. Comparing the performance of Chinese and Americans in the States is another story. My point is your ‘total character discourse’.
-found(BeeGee);
2001-7-25
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very good. i agree with you.
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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You are right, in some point, hongkongness is really better than our from beijing. That's the point, we from big city know there are another sky outside this sky.We acknowledge the weakness of ourselve just as when we see the advantage over from small area.
You are totally right, my english is not good, but enough to use. That's beijing guy. Not good in any peticular part, but in general, better.
-guest:yang;
2001-7-25
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You should say "in general, 较面“
-xuhp(LOST);
2001-7-25
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look you beijing ren, try to be the slave of america, and try to make wai di ren your slave. is this a typical beijing ren??
-lilyba(lily);
2001-7-25
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这种做法是有道理的,因为北京人比较少有,所以需要保护北京人,如果都一视同仁了,那么北京人就有被淘汰的危险,难道你们希望第二个周口店重演么?
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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当然不想有第二个周口店，因此最好把北京人关到动物园里进行重点保护。
-danieldu(天马行空);
2001-7-26
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没有绝对的公平，只有绝对的不公平。能面对理想，也要能面对现实。
-maladuona(马拉多纳);
2001-7-25
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绝对同意，生在农村穷省本生就是不公平，但是我们不能在随后的道路上设置更多的不公平。统一的标准很重要，即使不全面，不完善（没有测试是否会使用微波炉，知不知道FBI）。就象我们不能因为马拉多纳吸毒而抹杀其在球场上的才华！
-xxjjs(东方射日);
2001-7-25
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生在农村不公平是什么意思? 能告诉我选择出生地的方法吗?
-lzh0007(zhanglan);
2001-7-26
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农民最重要的是填饱肚子,盖房子,然后娶妻生子
上大学? 那是奢侈!对不起,我说的是我们家那疙瘩!~
-ecole(snowdon);
2001-7-27
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主要因为中国大学数量与人口比例太少，又多集中在大中城市，造成不同地区人们的机遇不同。如果不大力发展教育，这种情况不可避免。
-equ(EQU);
2001-7-25
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我们不否认要加强教育，但是现在我们应当有一个统一的标准。
-xxjjs(东方射日);
2001-7-25
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莫名其妙，北京人怎么你们啦？我最讨厌惯以“XX人”什么的来攻击人，北京怎么了？谁让它是首都呀？
-xiaopig(小猪格格);
2001-7-25
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哎，这话我爱听。
-camwood(千里草);
2001-7-25
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蜜吐
-armlegus(arm & leg);
2001-7-25
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你说谁让阿? 我让了吗? 啊?北京天生的就是首都啊? 中国的事,说到底,都是TMD政治.
-guest:;
2001-7-26
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您老是哪根葱啊
-guest:;
2001-7-26
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高考分数跟北京人似乎没什么关系，难道他们能自己定分数线吗？只是那些“人民的公仆”为了让自己的子女上名牌大学，出国而制定的政策。北京人只是跟着沾光而已。
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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高考, 包括中國大部分考試,其主要目的早已不在考核學生的學習成效, 而是在不足的教學資源下. 作為競爭受教育機會的手段. 北京高官林立,當然要先照顧自己的子女.這是問題本質, 其他討論多餘拉.沒用的.變不了.除非中國變天
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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中国肯定要变天，我毫不怀疑。
-xuhp(LOST);
2001-7-25
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北京学生不死抠书本，应变力强，外语好，很多班里系里的社团活跃分子有不少都是北京的，你们总说北京学生差，试问每次国际中学生奥林匹克数理化生物信息学竞赛的优胜者哪次没有北京学生？外地一些小城市，县镇替考，作弊，考前试题泄密严重，报上披露出来的
这些现象基本上都是外地的，根本没有北京的，北京录取率高是因为作为
首都高等教育普及率要达到一定程度，否则怎么能叫做国际大都市？
北京学生不死抠书本，应变力强，外语好，很多班里系里的社团活跃
分子有不少都是北京的，你们总说北京学生差，试问每次国际中学生
奥林匹克数理化生物信息学竞赛的优胜者哪次没有北京学生？
-guest:sssssss;
2001-7-25
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那是因为别的地方没有那么好的教育条件，同样是人，同样是高IQ，没有好的条件，比赛的资格都拿不到，还比个啥呀？小地方是小，但是人家也不笨，就因了没有好的条件，连参加比赛的机会都没有...... 实在不公平！
-antmm(antmm);
2001-7-27
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"奥林匹克数理化生物信息学竞赛的优胜者哪次没有北京学生？"
你知道那是怎么回事么?
-ecole(snowdon);
2001-7-27
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This kind of topic really make me sick. What are we doing? A WHOLE BUNCH OF IDIOTS
-guest:;
2001-7-25
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那些高分省份绝对有水分! 入学的时候分高的吓人,一开学就变的非常平平!有些人甚至比较弱智!
-guest:该!;
2001-7-30
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