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枫下家园 / 医药保健 / PCR试剂采用普通flu病毒作检测指标意味着什么？
-uws(United We Sell);
2021-12-21
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一笔糊涂帐
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2021-12-21
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这种胡说八道的帖子都能上精华我也是服了。新冠pcr是找新冠分子，flu pcr是找flu分子。就像x光能照胸片也能照脚片，也不会肋骨骨折看成脚骨骨折
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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Lab Alert: Changes to CDC RT-PCR for SARS-CoV-2 Testing
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2021-12-21
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新的检测方法能同时检测流感和新冠，并不是两种结果混一起，而是同时出两种结果，效率更高，你这是赞美CDC吗？
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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你也太一厢情愿了。这里是说大名鼎鼎的PCR不能区分COVID与FLU。
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2021-12-21
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"PCR不能区分COVID与FLU" 请给出原文， 新方法 “testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season”
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2021-12-21
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can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses你说成不能区分covid和flu。你把翻译结果求反再贴出来，真有你的
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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CDC也是要面子的，这是用一种体面的方式承认这破烂事。
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2021-12-21
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CDC要求的新方法才是can，也就是说老方法can't。
-blueskygg(Grass);
2021-12-21
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flu pcr老方法早在covid出现前很多年就有了，如果那时候就能检测到covid那你也太看得起cdc了
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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老方法指的是去年开始用的检测新冠的方法。
-blueskygg(Grass);
2021-12-21
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flu变种比covid多得多，如果既能测covid又能测flu，工作量比只检测covid要大很多倍，这种猜测有什么证据？
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
-uws(United We Sell);
2021-12-21
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文章说是用转录rna，你说是用something else。你还说用普通感冒病毒检测。造谣没底线
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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Page 10:
Equivalence and performance of these extraction platforms for extraction of viral RNA were demonstrated with the CDC
Human Influenza Virus Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel (K190302).
Performance characteristics of these extraction platforms with 2019-nCoV (SARS CoV-2) have NOT been demonstrated.
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Equivalence and performance of the following extraction platforms were demonstrated with the CDC Human Influenza Virus Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel (K190302) and based on those data are acceptable for use with the CDC 2019-nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.
-uws(United We Sell);
2021-12-21
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辟谣太累了
-micah(mica);
2021-12-21
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辟谣干啥？谣就是谣，时间机器会自动辟谣的
-utgfxval3(蛙);
2021-12-21
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造谣动动嘴，辟谣跑断腿
-moonhalf(减肥减多久);
2021-12-21
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请问，您这里说的“新冠分子，flu分子”，分子指的是molecule吗？
-uws(United We Sell);
2021-12-21
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分子是我对原文中molecular的直译。所谓新冠分子就是新冠rna分子级别上的表达，或者说rna的分子组合
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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Please read the FDA document directly. It admits “Covid” PCR test was developed without isolated samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it’s testing something else.
-uws(United We Sell);
2021-12-21
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"something else" 是 “tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA” 中文翻译 "用体外转录的全长RNA的特征片段进行测试”。根本就不是用感冒病毒测试
另外用转录基因片段进行测试也是唯一可行的方法。必须先有测试手段才能分离新冠病毒。没有测试手段怎么知道分离出的病毒是新冠病毒？用转录基因也是最可靠的测试方法。病人身上提取的样本很可能含有其他病毒会干扰测试
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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你的意思是意味着有阴谋在里面？
-winterfish(潜水鱼(\ (•◡•) /));
2021-12-21
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我是科学家，只作科学领域的分析。
-uws(United We Sell);
2021-12-21
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科学家分析出来FDA明目张胆地欺骗，看来懂英文就行了，不需要什么科学知识。揉脸真是个好地方，每天都能学习新技能。
-winterfish(潜水鱼(\ (•◡•) /));
2021-12-21
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本科学家就事论事，上文从头到尾没有使用“欺骗”这个词。
-uws(United We Sell);
2021-12-21
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谣言，英文辟谣网站：
-tzm_oasis(绿洲);
2021-12-21
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主流的fact check=lie
-itwriting(halfpercent);
2021-12-21
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看过不少主流媒体的辟谣，一般都是树个稻草人打，然后自己顺便再造点谣。
-blueskygg(Grass);
2021-12-21
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主贴没说covid病毒不存在，你这辟谣辟错地方了
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2021-12-21
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可能一般人不知道PCR的原理。即使COVID跟Flu病毒有部分相同的序列，使用不同的引物完全可以区分的开。技术上大家完全没有必要担心。
-zellner(骈邑山人);
2021-12-22
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