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I guess I was one of them you mentioned. Just read the post carefully when you ask question.

what "wins" and "fionah" and I were talking about is if one side of a couple can make more than 70K, then, the money another makes can be saved and normally a part time job should easily make 20k. The couple we are talking about is assumed no kids. People have different ways of spending money. In your case the reason why you don't have that money is maybe you spend it or you just don't know how to take care of it.

It's funny that how people could just take a conversation from half and started to ask around as question. :)
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  • 枫下家园 / 理财投资税务 / 已经买了房子的朋友讨论一下,你们真的一年可以积蓄20K吗,为什么我家就不行呢。除了养房子,吃喝玩,汽车开销,每年旅游一次等等,已经没什么积蓄了
    • 这还不够? 还存钱干什么? :-)
    • 痛感!
    • 买了房子,等于把今后十年的钱都用完了。
    • 挣钱不就是为了花,为了享受么?自己活舒服了比什么都强。
      • 不是啊,下面有个帖子说年薪7万以上的夫妇除了养房子,车子情况下,还能存20K,我觉得很奇怪,为什么我们就不能呢
        • 请他把银行账单贴出来供我等一阅
          • Mortgate 1,000; Utilities 250; Property Tax 300; car 400; car insurance 200; gas 150; cable&phone 100; Food 500; others: 200---total 3100 If your guys earn 80K(before tax), you can take home 55K, you can save18K...
            However, I don't understand why somebody initiates this topic: want to show up?...
        • 开源截流,不玩,不旅游,每个月只能买1件新衣服,吃1次馆子,看1次电影。。。
          • 电影可以不看,买盗版DVD :p; 衣服可以不买,从国内多带点 ;);饭馆不可以不吃,旅游不可以没有---不过可以选不是太贵的饭馆,不是太贵的旅游路线 :D
          • 我在这里没买过一见衣服
            • 你都两件两件地买...:-)
        • 谁让你又吃又喝,还玩. 不过我也不能
        • 能不能你自己应该最清楚,用不着问别人把
        • I guess I was one of them you mentioned. Just read the post carefully when you ask question.
          what "wins" and "fionah" and I were talking about is if one side of a couple can make more than 70K, then, the money another makes can be saved and normally a part time job should easily make 20k. The couple we are talking about is assumed no kids. People have different ways of spending money. In your case the reason why you don't have that money is maybe you spend it or you just don't know how to take care of it.

          It's funny that how people could just take a conversation from half and started to ask around as question. :)
        • 是不是他们房款已付清了??
    • 这要看人们的生活方式。70K拿到手是多少?每月的房屋以及汽车贷款要还多少?有孩子吗?他/她上公立还是私人学校?。也许有人可以,比如买一20万的房子,出租2间出去,买一辆7K的车,三,五年回家或者旅游一次。
    • 我听别人说一家三口每月吃二百多就够了,可我每月怎么也要五六百,真不知道她们有什么省钱的窍门??有知道的吗?
      • 真是饱汉不知饿汉饥啊!我们家两个大人,一个月一般不超过两百。
        • 你们是不是吃得少?
          • 那到不是。主要是吃得便宜。刚来,没钱。
            比如买猪肉,从来没买过1.29以上的。都是连皮带骨头。回来骨头煮汤(就不买排骨了),猪皮做菜,肥肉出油,瘦肉才切丝炒菜用。省了钱,赔进去的是时间和心思。还有,从来不到外面吃。早餐以自己蒸的馒头为主或者是包子(面粉多便宜啊)。不过蔬菜水果牛奶都保证的。其实我倒是想一个月吃它个五六百的!sigh!
            • 我也不是富人。想想我也没买什么贵的东西!就是水果买得多些,唉!还是我不会持家
      • 不妨去平价店买点东西。不少品牌质量完全相同的东西(比如Coke)在不同的店价钱差别可达30%。
    • 难道大家都买一个价钱的房子? 都付一样的DOWNPAYMENT?
      人和人不一样, 有人拼命供房, 有人拼命存钱, 有人拼命吃喝玩乐...大家各得其所吧, 怎么开心怎么过.
    • 取决于你供多少downpayment,如果你20万全部借,10年供完,那你够吃力的,如果你打算30年供完,存钱不是难事。如果你downpay15万,10年供完,那存3万都不难。
      人生一世,你既能供房,又能养车,还可以旅游,存太多钱又什麽用?这里的小孩长大了就飞了。等你退休了,房子已经供完,全世界也该游过一次了,到时把房子一卖,回国还是可以自由自在的生活。不要老是跟国内一样,存一大笔钱就是为了防老,供孩子出国留学,这样积蓄再多的钱也没用,苦了自己,肥了孩子。
      • 就是。买房全部付cash,每年不又多剩几万?
        • 你真聪明,如果一次付清房租,你还可以再供几间condo然后出租,那就不只多几万了,哈哈。
    • 我们家可以存出30K,但前提是我们两人年收入13万。
      每月税后收入7500-8000,房屋贷款1500+地税200+水电150+汽车Lease500+保险200+汽油100+儿童教育基金180+人寿保险200+交通费200(太太乘GO train+TTC)+Cable110+电话100+吃饭500+杂费300=4240,每月大约余3000-3500,扣去暑期旅游费用6000,每年才大约可以存出30K。
      • Thanks for sharing.
      • 嘿嘿,你漏了2样,1。GAS费用(很贵噢,一个月起码150元);2。物业管理费200(或者HOUSE的维修保养费),你看又去了350元吧。还有一个家庭总要添置点家具啊,花草啊等等. :((
      • 真是不公平!你们睡后还有8000快!我一个人睡前和你们差不多,可是睡后就剩下6000左右啦!
        • 他们是两个人挣的,每人六万五;你是一个人挣十三万,当然得多交个人所得税。
      • 你们年收13万每个月净收入7500---8000,那年净收至少9万,税金二人才4万,你们是不是有什么避税的窍门??
        • 一般LEASE车的都是做生意的, 他们很多的个人消费都是可以抵税的.
    • 中国人有时就是爱面子,你也不说说你收入多少,原有积蓄多少,供多大的房子,如果你只有6,7万收入,却去月供1500的房子,当然没钱可剩了。
      同样在国内,如果收入只有一二十万,供一套100万的房子,再买一别克之类的。你能够指望剩下2万人民币吗?
      更何况有些人在这里都不像是讨论问题,借着诉穷来炫耀自己,既可以开车,旅游,又有房子住,还有什麽可以抱怨的?
      收入低可以供小房子,可以选townhouse,可以少买一个bedroom,只要不租给别人住,自己一家子住的一样开心。硬要供大的房子,又想尽快付清余款,活得累完全是自找的。
      • 我们前面可是算的每月供1000刀的房子和400刀的车。对于70K+20K的家庭收入来说,一点也不算奢侈了。钱挣了就是要花的,收稍微多过支一点刚好。:)
    • 瞧这问题问的,这还有不明白的?为什么别人能存钱,而你家就不行呢?你赚钱没别人多呗。
      居然有人问这类问题,居然还有那么多人认真地回答。

      看来这样下去,如果将来某一天,我在这个论坛上看到有人问:“为什么BILL GATES能开创MICROSOFT,赚那么多钱,而我们家那口子为什么就不行呢?”,我也不会感到奇怪。
      • 你错了吧。不是赚钱多就存的多,是赚的比花的多才存的多。赚20万一年花30万的,存的钱还是负数呢!
        • 哈哈,对对,还是你聪明。
      • 你这一说,让我也奇怪起来:生下来大家都是光溜溜,赤条条。怎么现在贫富这么不均呢?不敢多想,怕爱上共产主义。
        • 瞎讲,中国的贫富差距比加拿大大多了。
          • 瞎说, 国外有钱人可比中国有钱人钱多得多, 而没钱的大家一样都是穷光蛋一个. 你得出那样的结论主要是在中国, 也许在你周围就有很多富人, 而在这里, 你可和富人的圈子沾不上边, 当然我也一样.
          • 瞎讲,谁和你说中国是共产主义了?
            • 谁和你说不是的?
        • 虽然都是光溜溜赤条条,可有人奶水足,有人只能喝米汤。长大了大家能一样吗?
          • 可不就是这个理儿嘛。可就是有人奇怪什么“为什么你行,我家就不行呢?”,也不脸红。
    • 谢谢大家回答,其实我想表达的意思就是---那个WINS算的不对 :D 租房时候天天想着买房子,买了房子才发觉养房子开销更大。结论就是象老外一样,可能要一辈子还MORTGATE。加拿大真不是赚钱积蓄的地方. :(
      • 我辛辛苦苦吵了一下午,也是要说----那个WINS算的不对 :D
        • 握手加拥抱 :))
        • 希望你们能就事论事,前面已经很清楚的列清楚了7万如何买房子,你省不下来是因为你们没有积蓄,或者买的房子太大。当然买多大多小你喜欢就行了,但是不能说你做不到就认为别人不能做到:
          当你有7万,你想买30万的房子,当你收入14万,你又去供40万的房子,永远不会有钱剩。
          还有就是RRSP和RESP无论怎麽都不是花费,那是你的定期存款,应该计入剩下的钱里。
          房子供完后减去供给银行的部分,假设房价不升也不跌,剩下的钱还是你的,等你老了之后完全可以把房子买了去住老年公寓的,这里还是可以兑现很大的一笔钱的。
          想住很大的房子,又想多攒钱,无论在中国还是加拿大都做不到的。我在前面说的只是为了证明在中国收入13万,如果要供房,剩下的绝对不会比加拿大多。
          为什麽要借款买房,正常的做法是利用少付本金,然后通过其他途径将本金增值,假设贷款利率是6%,你必须将剩余的钱每年增值>6%,如果没有这个本事,根本就不应该贷太多的房款。老老实实的租几年房子,存够了一定的downpayment再去买房子。
          • I think it's useless to discuss such topic.Each has each's life style.BTW,according to Fiona's words,you can never save much on her life style.
            我们前面可是算的每月供1000刀的房子和400刀的车。对于70K+20K的家庭收入来说,一点也不算奢侈了。钱挣了就是要花的,收稍微多过支一点刚好。:) -fionah(Fiona); 2.6 21:24 (#360789)Reply
      • 哦,原来如此,我没看到WINS的贴,原来你的这个贴是这个意思,刚才言语多有冒犯,对不起了。
      • Very interesting! one post of 130KRMB can raise such a hot discussion! Anyway, people have different life style. Someone had save 20K/year + full contribution to RRSP when he just got 60K annual income. Believe?
        Don't own a house....rent .....800/month.....all included
        Don't own a car .........rent......120/month.....only on weekend, 30/day
        Food..........................................300/month for 3.
        TTC 100/month
        Misc...........................................100/month

        Total 1420 * 12 = 17040.

        RRSP 60000*18% = 10800
        Tax 60000*20% = 12000
        .....after deduct RRSP&personal credit for two(spouse&applicant)

        60000-(17040+10800+12000) = 60000 - 39840 = 20160

        And RESP is from after tax money, considered as part of the saving.

        How is that?

        This is real hard time for new immigrant to build up his financial fundation. After two or three years, he can use the saving to own a property, it can be a house, condo or townhouse, and a corolla maybe.....then NO CASH saving anymore.....that is the Canadian life.
        • Tax is only 20% of the salary? why mine is over 20%?
    • That's right. All your savings go to the mortgage prepayment.
      • 正点 :D MORTAGE和房子开销占了大部份,我们脑子和传统教育还没有转象老外一样,看见每个月付这么多MORTGATE,其中本金占小小部份,就生气。在为银行打工 :((((
        • You work for your equity. The interests you pay to the bank is your cost.
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛The faster you pay off your mortgage the less interests paid, therefore, the lower the cost.

          No bank, or nobody, would lend you money for nothing.

          I guess WINS meant that the addtional $20K could be saved if you do not pre pay the mortgage. Some people may select to invest if they could have a higher ROI.

          Many of my friends try their best to pre pay as much as possible in their mortgage (double pay, 15/15 or 20/20 prepayment). Some of them are really successful in doing that.

          I always consider those prepayment amounts as savings rather than cost
          .
          But it is so obvious that they have to compromise a little bit if their daily life. No luxuary dinners out, no Cruise vacations, no fancy furnitures for years.

          I think we Chinese families are mostly living in this way. We're happy because we know we're building our wealth ultimately

          I do see Canadians living in a more casual way. They don't care the mortgage payment. They just let it go for 25 years. They don't bother the prepayments. They drinks a lot in homes and bars. Fancy stuffs everywhere, long, romantic vacations, new cars, boats....

          And most important of all, they're happy too. They do not complain.

          Lifestyle. If you choose yours and like it, no complain. If not, change to another.

          Just because they like their lifestyles.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 你们都是做什么工作的呀?怎么都是60k-80k啊?我怎么没这么好的服气啊?能不能透露一下,让我也发发财?
    • 存什么钱呢? 该花就花, 这个世界上没什么东西是能保留下来的, 就象水一样, 如果它是流着的, 那么它就流走了, 如果它是存着的, 那么它就干了.