hi, guy, this time you did a better job, even though there are still some mistakes in your article( forgive my critique), only one thing I want to tell you, the difference between us, -tuxue(吐血) @佛州华人论坛:佛州枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Florida

工作学习 / 求学深造 / GRE 2280,TOEFL 643, GPA 86.1 BS DEGREE. -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-17 {209} (#264971@0)
I AM AN UNDERGRADUTE STUDENT WITH THE FOLLOWING BACKGROUND ,GRE 2280,TOEFL 643, GPA 86.1 BS DEGREE.
I HOPE SOME ONE COULD tell me which university should i apply for my ms or ph.d program in computer science.

sorry to affront you. -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-17 {116} (#265002@0)
I cannot believe that you got such high scores in GRE and TOEFL, and still made such basically grammatical mistakes.
加拿大更重视专业背景，象你这样的GRE TOEFL申请美国学校更有利 -urfr(urfr); 2001-11-17 (#265010@0)

GRE 2340,Toefl 276, but GPA is very low,only 71%, I find that I can not apply any univeristy here. How can I do now? -yzyao(yao); 2001-11-17 (#265046@0)

Go South. hoho -pmer(pmer); 2001-11-17 (#265048@0)

sorry, what is your mean? -yzyao(yao); 2001-11-17 (#265050@0)

try those USA universities. :) -pmer(pmer); 2001-11-17 (#265054@0)

什么是专业背景？GT高，本科是CS， GPA高，就是背景好。这是申请GRADUATE SCHOOL，不是找工作，大爷！ -fillers(Choose one as you li); 2001-11-18 (#266242@0)

专业相关课程的成绩，加拿大对理论课程要求高，兴趣研究的方向以及以往的经历。当然如果不是名牌的学校就不会在乎那么多。但是以这样的成绩去非名牌学校上太可惜了。当然加拿大对女性的要求是不同的，不能以一些女性的成功经历来参照。 -urfr(urfr); 2001-11-18 {20} (#266245@0)
所以我建议他申请美国

不要说话太笼统. -fillers(Choose one as you li); 2001-11-18 {131} (#266249@0)
比如说那所学校要求什么, 说清楚了. 让人丈二和尚摸不着头脑.
PHD PROGRAM 都注重理论. 再说美国的好学校就比这的好申请?
简直是误人子弟.

There are only few U in Canada, You can try each one. GRE is useless. -bigsquirrel(小松鼠); 2001-11-17 (#265039@0)

Don't trust him. He just boasted of himself. I suggest he go to Canada ESL. -triplestones(NVH); 2001-11-17 (#265063@0)

Oh man, your English is so bad! I am astonished to see that your Toefl score is still so high. How did you make it? -wjiang(☆激昂☆); 2001-11-17 (#265090@0)

你的ccnp 考过了吗？ -vivianwang(纤云_Ξ温柔一刀Φ); 2001-11-17 (#265136@0)

ccnp ? 为什么不考ccie呢？ -icesnowman(爱江山不爱美人); 2001-11-17 (#265201@0)

CCNA->CCNP->CCIE -bluelamp(蓝灯); 2001-11-17 (#265203@0)

no, you needn't ccna, ccnp, they are useless. you can get ccie directly. -icesnowman(爱江山不爱美人); 2001-11-17 (#265235@0)

是吗。我自己没考过，不太清楚。有朋友是这样考的。CCIE是挺难的，需要大量的实践经验，不是读个什么强化班就行了，而且好象只有两年有效吧？您的黄色是怎么弄出来的？挺酷的，呵呵。 -bluelamp(蓝灯); 2001-11-17 (#265252@0)

像我这样几年前对电脑P都不懂的人，搞一个CCNP算是到极限了。 -wjiang(☆激昂☆); 2001-11-17 (#265287@0)

对自己要严格要求。ccnp 已经一大把了，你考出来有什么用？没有ccie，你没有出头之日的。 -icesnowman(爱江山不爱美人); 2001-11-17 (#265562@0)

实在不好意思，您的这句话，醋味太重了。在这里发表的帖子，有谁是工工整整，没有一个语法错误的？只要大家明白，能交流就行了，不是吗？用得着说这种讽刺的话吗？ -janette(janette); 2001-11-18 (#266134@0)

我觉得大家不应该这么说,其实她只不过象许多应试教育下刻苦的学生一样托福考了高分,并且在这里犯了常见的语法错误而已.我想还没有到众所矢之的地步.肯请大家宽容. -rainrain(雨雪连天); 2001-11-17 (#265147@0)

What did she do before? -janette(janette); 2001-11-17 (#265162@0)

fancy_liu好象是个在校的学生MM,托福考了不低的分数,在上面的帖子里犯了个常见语法错误. -rainrain(雨雪连天); 2001-11-17 (#265164@0)

那又怎么啦，谁没有犯错的时候。人家只不过请教问题，不至于有这么多人打击她吧。 -janette(janette); 2001-11-17 (#265169@0)

我就是这个意思 -rainrain(雨雪连天); 2001-11-17 (#265170@0)

Agree - If you can't say anthing nice, say nothing!!! -wjiaca(我有两个女儿); 2001-11-17 (#265443@0)

everybody, come here, you must get more surprise -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-17 {277} (#265226@0)
"Detailed Intro: i an tring to have a master degree in CS,EE OR CE in any Grad-School that can give me tha financial aid.
Please help me
my toefl is 643, gre 2280, v680,q800,a800
GPA 86.1/100
could you help me?
thanks a million! "

...such a big "gunman"...
http://www.rolia.com/showmemdetails.php3?puserid=fancy_liu

why do u think he or she is a gunman? -hnpepper(too_hot); 2001-11-17 (#265261@0)

she or he is not a gunman, but did a deal with "gunman". -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-17 (#265270@0)

why u say that? my classmate/roomate: G/T 2300/677 -scorpio(scorpio); 2001-11-17 (#265292@0)
My sister got 2400 in GRE by herself. It just proves how stupid ETS is. If we can change our attitude to grades and put more emphasis on real skills, I belive our life will be better. -diao_david(LoveBeer); 2001-11-18 (#265665@0)

同意吐血的意见。fancy_liu 说她有“1 BS DEGREE“，又说“I AM AN UNDERGRADUTE STUDENT“，书没读完就拿到学位？还是分不清"I am"和 "I was"？不敢相信她托福643。 -wjiang(☆激昂☆); 2001-11-17 (#265302@0)

复杂,复杂,敌我难分,我也糊涂了. -rainrain(雨雪连天); 2001-11-17 (#265312@0)
还是宽容一些的好。 -yangn(Raymond); 2001-11-17 (#265315@0)

说得好。 -unit18(brimwood); 2001-11-17 (#265376@0)

这就是中国人英语学习的弱点。我本人英语很差以前，自1997年起从口语学习班学起。以后英语渐长，在英语角中已成为一中心人物。当时见一清华生，告知托福638，一交谈口语一无是处。当时很纳闷。 -lonelyman(lonelyman); 2001-11-19 (#267663@0)
我的托付成绩是637。我想说的事学英语要从口语学起，从长远的角度来讲。Anyway, Chinese is smart, even for TOEFL that ETS claimed as a standard test. We still can find a shortcut to make it. 为了能上大学，这种精神是值得的。 -lonelyman(lonelyman); 2001-11-19 (#267678@0)

fancy,这里有很多人G/T考不过你，就讽刺你的英语，别理他们。我看你可以申请UW, UT。你一定要来加拿大的话，Mcgill,Albert,McMaster也可以，另外再选两个差一点的垫底。 -smallwhale(外有引力); 2001-11-17 (#265310@0)

//hand! -hnpepper(too_hot); 2001-11-17 (#265363@0)
you are wrong, the reason is not from jealousy but from some my personal judgement, -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-17 {406} (#265374@0)
I can understand that some people cannot properly write in standard and conventional written english, even thought they got a considerablly high score in GRE or TOEFL. but what gave me a big surprise is the so basically grammatical mistakes in her written english. I cannot understand it. she should, must avoid those kinds of mistake. because of her high scores.

you are too kind to face the reality.

How many mistakes did you make in your sentences?还是宽容一点吧。 -unit18(brimwood); 2001-11-17 (#265388@0)

I'm not a critical type, I really appreciate everybody -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-17 {569} (#265418@0)
who reminds me that my english is not good, and I also treasure every chance that improves my english. I know that my english is so far from what I wish it should be. and I also know that GRE, sometime TOEFL is not easy for majority to handle and more difficult for geting a ideal score. this is why I doubt and argue it. I know it is hard to get such high scores, and I surely believe that if a GRE test taker got a high score, one must has considerable written skills.

sometime, critique is not a bad thing, it can become a stimulus.

any objection is welcome.

就是楼上五行句子多少mistakes查出来了吗？对渴望求学的DDMM有必要这样吗？ -unit18(brimwood); 2001-11-17 (#265404@0)

u r right! really can't understand some guys! -hnpepper(too_hot); 2001-11-17 (#265406@0)

Fancy, you are disappointed, aren't you? but don't worry, nobody makes no mistakes, I believe yours, be confident and keep going, you'll do better, better than ...... -wjiaca(我有两个女儿); 2001-11-17 (#265435@0)
I AM FANCY_LIU. -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 {1407} (#265655@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛aha, so many people replied my letter.
and now i want to say sth.
0.5 i am not a MM but a DD.i am a senior in the university.

1 there is someone said that i had made a lot of mistakes in the former letter. i have to say to in the former one, i do not post it very seriously. so it is very common to have some mistakes. it is nothing to talk about
2.actually i got 643 in T and 2280 in G, hehe, it is me. if someone thinks that i do not deserver the score while having a lot of mistake in the former letter, i have to say that , yes, i have made some mistakes. it is because of the reason above. i do not want to waste any time on it. but if some one reply my letter just because he or she cannot get the higher score than mine, i have to say , if you have extra time, please advance you E proficiency .AND PLZ, GIVE YOU COMMENTS AFTER YOU GET 643 or 2280 ,
anyway, thank you to those who give me the sincere help concerning about my graduate study in CANADA. please tell me some graduate school which can give financial id to international students with my background, GRE 2280, TOEFL 643, TSE 50, GPA 86.1/100 BS DEGREE(COMPUTER SCIENCE) --EXCEPTED IN JUNE 2002.

THANKS VERY MUCH.
AND IF YOU LIKE SOMEONE TO HELP U IN CHINA. I CAN HELP YOU.
PLEASE CONTACT ME AT
gredown@163.com
and my photo is available at
http://album1.chinaren.com/a_photo.php3?aid=196466&pid=90207&ext=jpg&CHINARENKEY=更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

哇.照片都贴出来了. -zhu(猪头); 2001-11-18 (#265667@0)
我是FANCY，故意攻击我人 PLZ GO TO HELL 你GT不行就说我E文差，懒的和你们废话了。对于了解情况的CS的哥们门和姐姐门，说说我该申请什么样子的学校，多谢。 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 {151} (#265680@0)
我是FANCY，
故意攻击我人 PLZ GO TO HELL
你GT不行就说我E文差，懒的和你们废话了。
对于了解情况的CS的哥们门和姐姐门，说说我该申请什么样子的学校，多谢。

小朋友，GT考的好不说明你E文好，相反你的贴子实在是错太明显，反差如次之大，难怪会有人说。 -playboy(playboy); 2001-11-18 {41} (#265702@0)
你这态度，这肚量，。。。嗨，你就不害臊？

l老哥，等他们攻击你的时候，PLZ，在和我谈什么度量的问题，多谢了我没说我E文好，我只说我GT考了多少分，PLZ看清楚了在说话！ -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265709@0)

这个GT好嘛，是不错，不过GT好并不能说明实际应用就好。这位小哥火气不要这么大，大家并没有恶意。 -heian(㊣天使); 2001-11-18 (#265733@0)

小伙子不要火气那么大。G/T 拿个高分确实不能证明英语好。别人我不知道，起码汪大虾说起英语来，是和 CBC News 的播音员一个样的。 -diao_david(LoveBeer); 2001-11-18 (#265713@0)

汪大侠说起英语来如何如何，那是他自己的事，跟fancy_liu有什么关系？人家只是说自己GT的分数，并没有说自己英语好！真不明白，是不是大侠一出场，就必须有人跳出来捧一下？ -janette(janette); 2001-11-18 (#266133@0)

那说他一句英语如何，也不至于要骂人吧。更何况，虾不虾的，是自己做出来的，不是靠人捧的。 -diao_david(LoveBeer); 2001-11-18 (#266138@0)

人家小朋友是问CS申请的问题,结果跑出这么一个段子来.我看有点走题.最好谁能给他点真正有用的CS申请方面的信息,建议和回答. -rainrain(雨雪连天); 2001-11-18 (#266139@0)
我可没有骂人哟，而且我最佩服那些口语好的人了。只不过不知道你为什么要提这个，这跟fancy_liu有什么关系吗？至于说大侠是怎么产生的，本人太笨了，不知道。 -janette(janette); 2001-11-18 (#266140@0)

来了一年半了，见过几百个大陆移民，还没见到一个可以说的向“播音员”的，我真是PFPF呀！ -4032778072(＄￡￥西方失败); 2001-11-18 (#266161@0)

“现在是小姑屯广播电台开始播音，现在请香肠酱瓜：" kidding:) -pingyangtiger(平阳虎); 2001-11-18 (#266169@0)

哪个GGJJ说一下哪个学校应该垫底多谢，UMN还是什么，给奖的学校多不多，我是实在没有可以自己花钱去加拿大的能力，多谢了 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 {113} (#265698@0)
哪个GGJJ说一下哪个学校应该垫底多谢，UMN还是什么，给奖的学校多不多，我是实在没有可以自己花钱去加拿大的能力，多谢了
A cool boy. Maybe you can improve your GPA in this way: Transfer it to the 4.0 scale, on which 86 = 4.0. Canadian schools also use this method to calculate A, B, C, D, E. -poohbear(nothing); 2001-11-18 (#265711@0)

不错不错。但是要有思想准备，入学后在课堂上可能嘛都听不懂，还得靠课后用功，恶补。兄弟见多了，应试教育的结果。咱一哥们，也北京来的，托福/GRE也630+/2200呢，还不给害得；咳！祝你好运。 -ibuddy(阿罗); 2001-11-18 (#265714@0)
怎么那么喜欢搞阶级斗争呀？我在Langara的老师有时都会犯这样的错误，我们写的简历要不是反复检查不也很多错误吗 -albert2001(再来一次); 2001-11-18 (#265732@0)
我说几句 -dilbert(UCD); 2001-11-18 {462} (#265785@0)
大家似乎有个错觉：把G、T等同高考。以为美国大学也会择高分录取。事实上，研究生的录取更看重专业背景(文章发表，课程选修，GPA，推荐信等)。英语能达到要求就行了。如果学校要求TOEFL 580，我考600，你考650，你几乎没什么优势。

自从ETS给各大学发信之后，很多学校对中国学生的GT高分不信任。通常的做法是设配额，每年就录取两三个中国学生，让中国学生互相竞争。

这里的中文贴有语法错误、错别字都不少，更何况英文。如果指出错误的人说得对，就虚心接受，何必在乎他/她的GT考了多少分。

同意. 关于最后一点: 最好不要用鳖脚的英文去指正别人的英文错误.那不是五十步笑一百步嘛. -wjiaca(我有两个女儿); 2001-11-18 (#265790@0)

不对，是一百步笑五十步。 -unit18(brimwood); 2001-11-18 (#265956@0)

不是我FANCY火气大，看看我的意见！ -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 {471} (#265800@0)
不是我FANCY火气大，我哪个是比较着急的问问情况，每想怎么招，不过很多人扯的太员了。我的GT就是那样，这里很多GT，N高的人我不是自己吹牛说GT或是有什么牛人的地方，是想看看加拿大的学校什么情况，还请各位多多说说些学校和奖学金的问题，什么争论我E好不好的没什么必要，我口语什么的肯定不如在北美的哥们，我承认。至于GT，我也认为和我能力多高没有什么联系，我考试运气好或是有些能力而已，初次来这里没有冒犯大家的意思，毕竟都是中国的哥们，帮帮忙，对你们来说不难。你门也知道国内都是什么情况！

不好意思，问一下，为什么贴一组相片让大家看？:) -pmer(pmer); 2001-11-18 (#265810@0)

因为有人说我是MM，但我是DD，明白了把，不是争婚 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265811@0)

[B] ALL YOUR ASSISTANT WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265815@0)
那第二张相片呢？ :P -pmer(pmer); 2001-11-18 (#265816@0)

没有第二张我，等我到了加拿大给你看真人好了，呵呵 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265819@0)

This guy made so many mistakes in his Chinese post. He must not be a real Chinese. -poohbear(nothing); 2001-11-18 {396} (#265813@0)
Canada do not have too many universities. You can find universities/colleges in each province at yahoo > canada > province > education > universities and colleges. I think it would be better if you post some specific schools here and ask for advice about them. BTW why don't you focus on american universities? They usually gives you more credit on your Chinese background than canadian schools.

不是把，连我是不是CHINESE 都怀疑，我在国内都这个样子，错别字无所谓了，你知道我说的是什么意思就好了，最后中国人着一点就不要讨论了把。 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265817@0)

Sorry. I was joking. -poohbear(nothing); 2001-11-18 (#265820@0)

客气了，这里的人都如你和蔼，我也不用说那么多话了 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265828@0)

我看了几个MSMASTER，MCGILL，OTTAWA，QUEEN，YORK ACADIA，WINDSOR，什么的都是名气大的不行了，可以其他名气小的又没有钱给我，大家说说哪个合适，我是读MS（计算机）的，现在本科，上面的学校哪个合适。 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265825@0)

CS名气大的是UT和画铁路啊。不过你GT和GPA都不错，为什么申请那么多加拿大学校不多试试美国呢？加拿大的学校毕竟很少。 -pmer(pmer); 2001-11-18 (#265830@0)

是，关键是美国的人实在多，我是US加拿大都申请几个看看，美国最近钱紧呀，估计今年形式不会太好，所以也看看这里的学校。你觉得我说的那几个怎么样，有奖学金就可以了，不是非要TOPXX，我要求不是很高 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265836@0)

我不是CS背景的，说不好。几点看法供参考。1. GT在申请中不是特别重要；2. 加拿大的学校并不比美国好申请。 3. 直接和学校，教授联系，比在这里问有用得多。 4. 需要运气。 -pmer(pmer); 2001-11-18 {26} (#265843@0)
趁今晚流星雨，许愿吧，hoho

给教授发了邮件，回的人不多有的说没钱，有的说招不了学生了，难呀 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265857@0)

用你的英文写信人家怀疑你的实际水平啊！ -urfr(urfr); 2001-11-18 (#266228@0)

是吗？如果过去就为了学些E文，没什么专业的话，不去也罢了 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-19 (#266575@0)

I think you'd better do more research before asking for others' opinion. Please keep in mind that you'll have to compete with those who have canadan permanent residency. Good luck. -poohbear(nothing); 2001-11-18 (#265837@0)

我知道要和有国籍或是绿卡的人争的，谁知道结果如何呀，哎 ANYWAY，多谢帮忙。 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265839@0)

另外US我也高了几个，什么KANSAS ST。U，FIT，UCF，关键是US的计算机学的人N多了，谁知道EE，CE，CS的老板要人的给哥们介绍一下！ -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265826@0)

On average CS in US is not more "N" than CS in Canada. Canadian schools are more selective in most cases. -poohbear(nothing); 2001-11-18 (#265842@0)

说实话，我觉得加拿大的应该比美国容易呀，一来钱少，二来太冷了，不过听你说的，我也明白了很多，谢了先！ -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265850@0)

Canada do not have a small number of schools, while it has a large number of new immigrants, a great part of which would like to escape into schools in this economic situation. -poohbear(nothing); 2001-11-18 {189} (#265858@0)
Canadian schools are of higher quality in average than US. As for money, a student can live more comfortably than his US counterpart.
Finally Canada is a more reservative country than US.

Sorry I made a mistake: "Canada do not have a large number of schools" -poohbear(nothing); 2001-11-18 (#265861@0)
是，加拿大的学校比较传统，美国的太现实了，给他干活就给钱，感觉加拿大比较适合过神仙的日子，世外桃源呀，希望我运气好，水知道那？。SIGN！~~~~~~~~~~~ -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265863@0)

走人了，希望下次来能看见更多有帮助的东东，现在是北京时间16：53 11/18/2001，多谢各位在外面的GG，JJ了！ -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265869@0)
Fancy, 别理他们，这的人里有很多垃圾！！ -cherokee(Cherokee); 2001-11-18 {1220} (#265878@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛自己狗屁不会，看着人家考了高分就眼红，你们不是英文好吗，考一个出来看看。

那个叫吐血的，不是想知道你的英文怎么样吗，自己看看你的#265226，subject "you are wrong, the reason is not from jealousy but from some my personal judgement". 中间不用句号或连词可以把句子连起来谁教你的？

“I can understand that some people cannot properly write in standard and conventional written english, even thought they got a considerablly high score in GRE or TOEFL. “ 觉不觉的出来你这句话说这帮人考的GRE或TOEFL分数都是一样的？要想表达你这种意思，score要用复数。

正文中“but what gave me a big surprise is the so basically grammatical mistakes in her written english.“ 大小写不说了，what从句谓语动词单复数由谁决定？mistakes, 要用are, 懂吗？

"I cannot understand it." 标准书面英语中 it 都可以指代什么？？单数名词？不定式？ing形式？形式主语？你和我说说这个 it 指代的是什么？？

“she should, must avoid those kinds of mistake. because of her high scores. “ mistake后面那个句号姑且算你笔误，mistake 没有复数形式呀？should, must 这是哪家的英语？？

上述文法错误仅牵涉单复数，代词指代等英文中最基本的文法，用词及逻辑关系等高级英文文法并无涉及，随便说说，仅博大家一笑。

为人生辉煌，大家都在奋斗。能帮就帮，帮不了也别喝醋。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

thanks! I will be more careful at next time. -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-18 {941} (#265946@0)
accept 4/5 your advice.

however, about the fifth,
“she should, must avoid those kinds of mistake. because of her high scores. “ should, must 这是哪家的英语？？
please recheck,

by the way, I really really need a strict teacher such as you(no kidding, seriously,) , who give detailed mistakes and spur me to improve my poor e.

stealthily, I just told you why I posted some speech to criticize him. (my toefl score is not lower than his). I do not think that it is neccessary to show off everywhere, he should directly ask what he wanted and then gave others his background including G/T scores; this is the common way, unlike him, look his post's title " GRE 2280,TOEFL 643, ", what did he want to say? once I even confused.

oh, Cherokee! do not give up me, come on, keep your critical and constructive suggestion, I really really need such kind of "LIANG4 SHI1" as you, and I believe you have the capability to do so.

能宽容处且宽容 -cherokee(Cherokee); 2001-11-18 {224} (#265971@0)
我只是觉得Fancy小小年纪能够去考T/G，已经至少比我当年强很多。我相信也比这里的大多数人强很多。

我并不认为他的成绩会令人汗颜，但我想他为这个成绩至少要辛苦一年。不容易呀。

另：最后一个错误在英文文法中叫做同义重复，永远错。

Tuxie gg, please recheck the sentence “oh, Cherokee! do not give up me,”, and come in for detail.......... -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 {638} (#265987@0)
Tuxie gg, please recheck the sentence “oh, Cherokee! do not give up me,”, it maybe stupid but I think should write it as” plz do not give ME up”, BUT NOT “GIVE UP ME” your know that here in china nobody got 643 or higher in toefl should make such a terrible mistake, especially considering the situation that you are trying to be a gentle man.
And plz do not waste Cherokee’s SPARE TIME, I will “keep my critical and constructive suggestion” on your articles . because Cherokee is someone have a stronger power that me in the field of writing. And it maybe stupid but I think I can be your , “kind of "LIANG4 SHI1" .
hehe

Tuexie gg, After reading your articles I have to say that though you are always trying to be a gentle man, I think you are nobody. Do you know why? plz come in for detail..... -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 {3394} (#265983@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Tuexie gg,
After reading your articles I have to say that though you are always trying to be a gentle man, I think you are nobody.
Do you know why?
First, you always think that other people are doing something to “show off” themselves. and your ignorance finally lead to a terrible mistake. You think that I try to show off , because I post a article, like GRE 2280,TOEFL 643.
I have to tell you that it seems that you are so far away from the mainland china and maybe for a very long time, you did not know that situation here in china. Now get 2100 in gre in very common, and 2200 is nothing to take about, and also a lot of people get 2300 or higher. So if I want to show off, I will post the article with the title, “ hi ,everyone guys with gre 2400 and toefl 677.is here”
I used the title because I wanted to see more comments on my situation, but not some evil words on my article.
And what is more, should I think that you attacked me in order to show yourself more “ brightly” just because you wrote that article with the sentence “my toefl score is not lower than his” after you criticized me??
It is clear that your logical reasoning is very poor and always leads you in to a terrible situation. You always treat other people very harshly but treat yourself……………….right?

unlike you , I do not want to question your personality, .and, I can forgive your ignorance of the gre score and the situation here in china.
So if you want to be a gentle man , plz, post your critical articles carefully in order not to fool yourself.

Second, as it is now well known that YOU also make a lot of mistakes in your own articles, so I have to say that if you want to attack me just because I made a few mistakes , plz write a perfect article by YOURSELF and then come back here to give comments on mine. So your attacking me now seems have no power to convince anybody here ,maybe you even cannot convince yourself sometimes, that your attack me as a hero. It seems now you seems a “nobody” here!

Third (your own words) “I do not think that it is neccessary to show off everywhere, he should directly ask what he wanted and then gave others his background including G/T scores; this is the common way” (your own words),
plz do not think about other people in your way of so-called “thinking and reasoning”. it is because that do not you know that “ I think he should ‘ is a very rude and poor way to give suggestion.???? Do you now that everyone will give you the answer “ hi your poor guys, it is none of your business. So plz use the sentence “ have you ever thought of doing sth…….”and “it is maybe stupid but I think you should …..“ for suggestion next time.. so now it maybe stupid but I think you should recheck your toefl score to see whether your toefl score is not lower than mine in order to say something more precisely next time here!

At last, I just want to know some info, about the grad-schools in north American, I have no intention to attack anybody here including you. and I have not intention to show myself.

Actually, I use some “evil” words in this article and I have to say sorry to you.
it may be stupid, but I think you should know that I just want you to know the feeling of being attacked.
Anyway, sorry to anybody I have attacked here. Plz, forgive me for my ignorance and rudeness .更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

hi, guy, this time you did a better job, even though there are still some mistakes in your article( forgive my critique), only one thing I want to tell you, the difference between us, -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-18 {1050} (#266031@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I consider your article a stimulus to improve me, and I also welcome any correction from you. you can keep going to do that. as far as my intuition, you seems that you have been hurted by those critiques. if so, I would say sorry to you.

I never think that my english is good, it is maybe stupid but I think you too, this is the fact, reality. some critiques remind me and spur me to struggle, I have never felt those crituqes are evil. (sorry to use my own thought to judge others' feeling); even I welcome anybody to criticize my E.

tell you why I attacked you, no, not attcked you but your E, just because of my astonishment. (sorry again). next time, I will still do same thing to attack such a poor E, not because of the author but the article. and welcome you do same thing to me, I will get more power and skills from such critiques.

everybody can be my "liang4shi1" including you, only if the one can give me his/her attention of my mistakes and chances which let me know my faults.

don't too sensitive and too sad.

thinks更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

"you seems" I never...you too""don't too sensitive"...c, still mistakes! As human beings, we can always make faulty things. Please just be a little bit generous to that little boy! -rainrain(雨雪连天); 2001-11-18 {273} (#266163@0)
Do give him some useful help for his application instead of being stingy to his English. I have a younger brother who stands in the same shoes of fancy_liu. I fully understand how important the application is to him. Please please always be helpful and considerate! Thanks!
it maybe stupid but i think everyone here should be a kind man or woman just like rainrain (雨雪连天) !!!!!! i have to say " PF PF " to rainrain (雨雪连天) . -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#266562@0)
it maybe stupid but the the most obvious difference between me and tuxieGG is -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-19 {260} (#266572@0)
that he is in CA now and i am in mainland China. and any further difference on the aspect of personality and E skills should not be posted on this BBS in roder to avoid any personal attacks between any native chinese people! thanks very much for your comments.

Cherokee 大哥，听你的名字就够厉害的，呵呵，善于奔跑爬山的NOMADIC民族呀，厉害厉害，多谢帮忙，我不想攻击别人，也不想被别人攻击。看来那里都是同胞感情多呀。 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 (#265991@0)

Fancy，我看到这派气氛的就想起当年我因文法被几个鳖三羞辱的经历。其实 -cherokee(Cherokee); 2001-11-19 {44} (#266610@0)
当你真的不在意这些的时候，才是你成功的前奏。

多谢指点，当然我也说了很多过火的话希望大家原谅 -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-19 (#266631@0)

吐血GG，我帮你找了一些你的错误，不知和不和你的要求，我的能力不如你了的多多间量！come in for detail.............. -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-18 {752} (#266014@0)
Tuxie GG，
after reading your letter, which had millions of terrible grammatical problems , and knowing the fact that you maybe have a even higher score that mine in the TOEFL test, I have to confess that just as what you said before, “TOEFL is really a waste of my time”. And only now, I begin to understand the feeling when you reading my article. I also can not bear and believe ANYONE ( including you and me )CAN make a lot of mistakes, such as those in your article “ give up me”, while have a unbelievably high score in TOEFL even than 643.
But I can understand your situation, maybe you are always trying to polish your english , but have little result. Right? Please do not GIVE YOURSELF UP( not give up yourself)!
Hehe. Only a joke.

somewhat correct. -tuxue(吐血); 2001-11-18 (#266033@0)

坏了，我托福630，但你们说他的基本语法错误我看了半天楞没看出来(说明白一点嘛大侠们)，差距阿差距。请各位英文高手指点一下迷津如何 -pingyangtiger(平阳虎); 2001-11-18 (#266135@0)

自以为E文很好了，和诸位DX一比，我恨不得找快豆腐撞死算乐。只是觉得DX们说E文时形容词好多，有点孔遗迹的味道 -4032778072(＄￡￥西方失败); 2001-11-18 (#266141@0)

俺觉得说英文和中文一样，能把话说明白，没有语病就行。这边认识不少老外同学，其实觉得沟通一点不困难，为什么，该说事的时候说的很简洁，大家都明白。不过和他们在一起讲消化就受不了了，一串串词，耳朵忙不过来 -heian(㊣天使); 2001-11-18 (#266148@0)
来加拿大这么子久了，还一口椒盐土农民英语，实在是惭愧得很那。什么时候也能说一口帅呆酷毕的英语如同“播音员”一般，那时在把头发染染黄，鼻子垫垫高，嘿嘿..... -pingyangtiger(平阳虎); 2001-11-18 (#266149@0)

我还是佩服人家GT高的人，俺当年大学4鸡才61。5，现在努力到T可以590了，（完全自学），但是和人家那些T600多的，我觉得还是不行的。我觉得T怎么还是反映水平的 -4032778072(＄￡￥西方失败); 2001-11-18 (#266153@0)

你比我强多啊，我当年四级考过58，59.5，直到最后一学期才65过关。没想到GT都考得不错。(气阿气阿) -pingyangtiger(平阳虎); 2001-11-18 (#266157@0)

俺觉得俺基础不行，只是脸皮比较厚，考鸭死时，要不是SPEAKING拿了6。5，就别指望来加拿大了。所以，GT高还是有好处的 -4032778072(＄￡￥西方失败); 2001-11-18 (#266164@0)

我的口语很差，但平时和老外交流时，对方连蒙带猜也能理解个八九不离时，就算有MISUNDERSTAND 过后清楚了也就哈哈一笑，汗颜得紧。我奇怪为什么教授们还没有怀疑我的GT是怎么考出来的，幸运，幸运阿，哈哈 -pingyangtiger(平阳虎); 2001-11-18 (#266173@0)

说了半天，俺也不明白你在说啥子？ -4032778072(＄￡￥西方失败); 2001-11-18 (#266175@0)
平时跟老外交流时说英语倒不觉得多紧，(反到是对方竖着耳朵小心应付)。但是在ROLIA我基本不用英语，因为总有那么几个半刁子到处寻摸别人的英语错误。 -pingyangtiger(平阳虎); 2001-11-18 (#266178@0)

说的是，人家GT快满分就是水平，你口语NB，再NB还飙不过人家一个小孩。还妄谈什么播音员！说句老实话，不是土生的就别指望了！ -4032778072(＄￡￥西方失败); 2001-11-18 (#266181@0)

不奇怪，有青蛙当年四级好几次没过，考托福650的，嘿嘿 -shou(小受); 2001-11-19 (#266765@0)

小子有种，俺就喜欢你这性格。。 -fillers(Choose one as you li); 2001-11-18 {494} (#266238@0)
快人快语，敢说敢干，有屁就放，管他对错。三思而后行，那是典型的中国土知识分子的说法。就凭你的条件，你就大胆地申请 UT OR UWATERLOO 这些顶尖的学校的 MASTER OR PHD PROGRAM。在UT， SCHOLARSHIP IS $19，000 PLUS TA AROUND $6,000. 写三封好的推荐信，不要有语法错误。写一封LETTER OF STATEMENT，严谨一些，不要象在这帖贴子。申请PHD 都有奖学金，申请MASTER 不一定， UT 一定有。还可以考虑UALBERTA。 MACMASTER 没有PHD PROGRAM IN CS。QUEEN‘S 也可以，钱多少不知道。有啥不明白的接着问。我知道一定回答。

谢谢GG说了句公道话，对了顺道问一句J加拿大有没有从BS到PHD的direct route doctor 呀？还是必须（对80%以上的人来说）是一定要 BS-》MS->PHD？ -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-19 (#266569@0)

No, you must have Master's degree before get in Ph.D. program -fillers(一次足够，勿重复); 2001-11-19 {95} (#267163@0)
In UT, the student who is admitted into Master's program is
supposed to pursue Ph.D. degree.

这么好的成绩干吗来ca呀，去us好了，这里工资太低。 -next(next123); 2001-11-18 (#266253@0)
看完下面所有贴子，对你由同情变为厌恶，这么小鸡肚肠还是不要出国，否则稍有不顺，不是杀人，就是自杀。 -poonu(poonu); 2001-11-19 (#266619@0)

yes, i know i am far from a gentle mam, though i am always trying to be. anyway, thanks for your advising me. -fancy_liu(Fancy_liu); 2001-11-19 (#266636@0)
我不觉得。有人挑衅理所当然强力回击，这与肚量无关。肚量是指反击或被反击后仍耿耿于怀。 -albert2001(再来一次); 2001-11-19 (#266642@0)

Good point. -fillers(一次足够，勿重复); 2001-11-19 (#267168@0)

@Florida

hi, guy, this time you did a better job, even though there are still some mistakes in your article( forgive my critique), only one thing I want to tell you, the difference between us,

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