考试只是一部分 -diao_david(David Diao) @佛州华人论坛:佛州枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Florida

工作学习 / 求学深造 / 我想到加拿大后读MBA，有共同志向的朋友请互相交流介绍经验！我的初步打算是考完雅思后，考TOEFL和GMAT。请教各位，加国哪所大学的MBA最好？入境后就申请入学可以吗？ -anniepan(annie); 2000-12-21 (#18917@0)

据报道西安大略大学MBA现在排到了全世界第十九位，应该是加国最好的。之后当数多伦多大学和约克大学。 -iamfish(笨笨鱼); 2000-12-21 (#18919@0)

thank you,iamfish! how about UBC? -anniepan(annie); 2000-12-21 (#18922@0)
Can you tell me something about the situation of the market for MBA graduates? -lindar(swallow); 2000-12-21 (#18984@0)

It all depends on your interests. I am interested in studying MBA, and I am sure it well be useful. -anniepan(annie); 2000-12-22 (#19073@0)

今年的结果是QUEEN，YORK， U OF T ，WESTEN -guest:CB; 2000-12-21 (#18985@0)

Thanks. Do you know how many scores of TOEFL &GRE are required for applicant as PR to apply the U like you mentioned above? -lindar(morning); 2000-12-21 (#18986@0)

you have to check their web site.No difference between PR and -guest:Foreign student; 2000-12-21 (#18987@0)

I know the requirement about scores on website. But it seems too high for me. I wonder if there are some exceptions in practice. -lindar(morning); 2000-12-21 (#18989@0)

My experience -diao_david(David Diao); 2000-12-25 {2232} (#19358@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I have finished the arduous applicaiton process of this year and waiting for the final result. In my own opinion, if you want to chase a MBA diploma, you'd better take those test(TOEFL, GMAT) in China. Because I prepared them in Canada without any help, I just got an oridnary score( 720, 270). Though it seems much higher than those required scores. Becareful, you are competing with other guys coming from China. And to us (Chinese), 700 is the baseline.

When I began to consider those BS, I've thought about Queens as my first choice.
But, after I read the report of Canadian Business, I changed my mind. Definitly, Queen's is an excellent university, and it's famous for its Engineering departments. An important item used by Canadian Businees to evaluate BS is students' revenue after got the degree. Queens' students have the highest revenue. I think it's why Queen's is listed as top one. But the interesting fact is that majority of Queen's students work in abroad. Where is abroad --- America. So it will be a dilemma for an immigrant. Without Candian Citizenship, we can't work in USA. Even some American companies can help you apply H1. But in that condition maybe you have to give up your Canadian immigrant status. And I doubt in one year, whether those students can learn engouth knowledge and have time to find a satisfiable job. Especially, without internship, how to get the most valued North American experience.

So I prefer Richard Ivey of UWO. I believe the prestige of an university cann't come from one day. UWO emphasizes consulting, general management. York and UOT emphasize Finance and Economy. Richard Ivey is the most expensive one: 40,000 CND.
Queen's 35,000. York is 20,000 to landed immigrant.

BTW, I have met many worm heart friends who told me the difficulties to find a job in Canada as a MBA. I appreciate their concern. But "No pain, No gain". I believe the aim of MBAs is to explore new field and create job opportunities to themself. What I want is a career, not a job. Even I have been a programmer for many years and I love anything about computer, I give up the dream to be a IT professinal. I prefer using computer as an assistant.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

谢谢你的经验，以后我可能会经常向你请教。 -anniepan(annie); 2000-12-26 (#19461@0)
Can I get your help? -1000yearssolitude(my home); 2001-1-9 {262} (#20969@0)
I received my LP but still working in Singapore.I have a TOEFL of 267,no GMAT,my major is civil engineering,I previously sit for GRE but did not obtain a high score. I hope I can get advices on how to improve writing.Thanks! my email 1000yearssolitude@canada.com

我的写作也很差 -diao_david(David Diao); 2001-1-9 {901} (#20981@0)
其实我的GMAT完全是凭自己工科的底子考的：数学基本没有错误，加上突击了一下GMAT语法。写作的成绩并不好。我认为拿到700分以上是很容易的事情。如果准备向750-780进军，就需要更多的努力了。
GMAT的写作有几点不利于中国考生：这些题目就是我们不熟悉的，建筑问题，环保问题，青少年问题。比如我这次考的是“城市的公共建筑反映了社会的价值观“。我的天！怎么描述那些建筑？所以平常一定要多看这些方面的英文文章。那些题目，新东方第五册全有，我因为准备仓促，只是浏览了一下题目，没有真的动手去写。如果追求高分的话，一定要写出来，反复修改，对自己的英文写作是很好的锻炼。特别是那些自己怵头写的题目，更是一定要写。
不过即使考试成绩不是特别高（6分），只要过了4分就不要太担心，还有申请的Essays可以弥补。
GRE和GMAT还是有很大不同的，我的GRE已经是好多年前考的了，只是一般般的2150。考GRE高分的例子，我妹妹就是。她第一次也不过考了2000多，后来又花了一年准备，去年九月考了2400。其实她也并不是多么聪明，只是特别地勤奋（至少比我勤奋得多）。

多谢指教 -1000yearssolitude(my home); 2001-1-12 (#21432@0)

Do you think that the score of GMAT is the unique element for applying a MBA? -chenster(Chenster); 2001-1-10 (#21075@0)

考试只是一部分 -diao_david(David Diao); 2001-1-10 {596} (#21108@0)
如题。考试成绩不是全部，但是不能差得太远了。特别是如果想上好学校的话，很大程度上是中国移民自己之间的竞争。一般中国考生（还有印度考生）的考试成绩都很高，当然人家不可能仅仅凭GMAT的成绩，找一大帮中国人。
除了考试成绩（我个人认为最低分数应该在700以上），原来的学习背景，学校的选择，自己以前的工作背景，申请时写的Essays也很重要，再有就是面试。申请读MBA是一个综合的过程，如果你在每一点都能尽到了自己的最大努力，应该有一个理想的结果。
不过再开始以前最好真的坐下来，好好想一下，自己想去做什么？为什么要去读MBA?如果仅仅为了跟随潮流、追求高薪的话，可能会比较失望的。商业周刊以及中国MBA论坛上有很多讨论。

fully share you the comments "what i want is a career, not simply a job". I want make a friend like your guys. Physically i am in shanghai and will come Toronto this Feb. I have no any Toefl and GMAT score yet but I want get a MBA study at Ivey. -danielchen(Daniel); 2001-1-11 {326} (#21267@0)
Personally i really enjoy a managerial working. I am now a project manager in a reputable european company. Besides the recommendation letter from my employer, can you advise me what other doc i should prepare for the MBA entrence application. Appreciate your response. you can reach me by my e-mail d_a_chen@yahoo.com. thanks
David, Any benefits on MBA study for permanent resident in Canada comparing to international students? -danielchen(Daniel); 2001-1-11 (#21268@0)

depends on the university -wutengfang(Terence); 2001-3-23 {32} (#36421@0)
西安没区别，YORK的国际学生比PR贵

I have the same idea as yours.Now I am a computer engineer,but it's so boring.I want to change my major though it's very hot.I hope we can exchange our thoughts later. -lindaxie(littlebear); 2001-3-23 (#36239@0)

Canadian Business 年年把 QUEEN'S 排第一, 根本是扯蛋. 谁都知道UWO 的 MBA 是全加最好. 这里有金融时报2001年MBA排名 -guest:; 2001-3-23 {227} (#36512@0)
加拿大有九所大学进入前100名

WESTERN ONTARIO 全球第十九
YORK 全球第三十五
McGILL 全球第三十七
TORONTO 全球第四十六
UBC 全球第五十九
McMASTER 全球第八十
QUEEN'S 全球第八十七
ALBERTA 全球第八十五
CONCORDIA 全球第九十八
Canadian Business 年年把 QUEEN'S 排第一, 根本是扯蛋. 谁都知道UWO 的 MBA 是全加最好. 这里有金融时报2001年MBA排名 (更正) -guest:; 2001-3-23 {227} (#36513@0)
加拿大有九所大学进入前100名

WESTERN ONTARIO 全球第十九
YORK 全球第三十五
McGILL 全球第三十七
TORONTO 全球第四十六
UBC 全球第五十九
McMASTER 全球第八十
QUEEN'S 全球第八十七
ALBERTA 全球第九十五
CONCORDIA 全球第九十八

我不觉得评Queen's MBA 第一是瞎扯蛋，Queen's 绝对是加拿大第一流的MBA。 -daqiao(Bill); 2001-3-23 (#36524@0)

是的，本来各个商校就是各有所长，非要把 Queen's 和 Ivey 在一起比，有点关公战秦琼的味道。如果说科学技术管理方面，Queen's 应该比 Ivey 强。 -diao_david(LoveBeer); 2001-3-23 (#36597@0)

My point of view of MBA rankings. -daqiao(Bill); 2001-3-8 {952} (#31297@0)
1. MBA ranking is just 1 critiria when you choose which MBA program is right for you. You should also look at some thing else, like the reputation of the University, the focus of each program, etc.

2. You should look for as many rankings as possible to get a whole picture of it. For example, Financial Times rankning, since it is a MBA ranking conducted by Financial Times magazine of UK, it is not well known in the US. But it is still a good reference, because it is a world wide MBA ranking. The rankings I found available for Canadian MBA programs are Financial Times, Canadian Business and Business Week.

3. Look at the detail ( every catagary ) in the rankings and find out which are important for you. For instance, I think the % of female students and faculty in Canadian Business ranking is not so important to me. If you get rid of this 2 catagary by yourself, the ranking will be a whole new story.

Good luck in your MBA searching.

Rankings are based on statistics data for the majority of MBA population. In other words, if you have great education background and solid working experience, both in North America, those rankings work for you. -atmgr(stan001); 2001-3-8 {244} (#31317@0)
If you are educated and working in non-English speaking country, it would largely depending on your own characteristics and adaptibility to North American corporate culture (I assume you are attacking major N.A. firms by taking an MBA program).

我的想法和你一样，能保持联系吗？我现在在广州，准备2001年递表，并考完Y，T，G。争取能够在2002年出去。bruno_lp@163.net -bruno_lp(傻呼呼); 2001-1-9 (#20930@0)

你现在递表了吗？ -anniepan(annie); 2001-2-8 (#25208@0)

business week online: mba ranking: western and u of t are among top30(first tier), then mcgill, queens, and york after 50+(3rd tier). URL: http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/00/index.htm -guest:; 2001-1-9 (#20982@0)

thanks a lot! -anniepan(annie); 2001-2-8 (#25209@0)

Hi, Annie: 我也想读MBA, 只是为GMAT发愁. 现在再开始准备考G申请今年9月份的来得及吗? 要多少分?我现在在加拿大. 希望和有志于MBA的朋友们共勉! -baijingjing(baijingjing); 2001-1-9 (#20989@0)

前段时间特别忙，一直没有时间到rolia来，今天进来发现有这么多志同道合的朋友，真是高兴！可Email至rating99@21cn.com与我联系。 -anniepan(annie); 2001-2-8 (#25207@0)

苦行僧 OF MBA -zyzedward1(张丹枫); 2001-3-8 {167} (#31290@0)
在这里能遇到志同道合者很是高兴，吾现在沈阳，正潜心致力于MBA申请，希望吾辈中人能携手共进，互通信息。可E-MAIL至zyzedward@china.com, 吾定将吾所知信息悉数奉上与君共享！
in the same road and for the same target. olivwb@yahoo.com -olivwb(quark); 2001-3-31 (#39181@0)

关于MBA -guest:; 2001-2-28 {31} (#29300@0)
要申请今年的MBA，恐怕来不及了。

This year's MBA ranking by Financial Times, (World Wide) Uniersity of Western Ontario ranks 19, is still the best Business school in Canada -guest:axid; 2001-2-8 {357} (#25267@0)
19 University of Western Ontario
35 York University
37 McGill University
46 University of Toronto
Queens, UBC all after 50
www.ft.com

According to all resources, UWO is definitely the best Business school in Canada. UOT used to be the second, but now seems not as good as before. And McGill used to be the third, now seems still at its position.

No one mentioned U of Ottawa, is it so poor? -nicklin(nick); 2001-3-18 (#34260@0)

我只想读PART-TIME MBA，什么都不考行吗？在哪？几年？多少钱？谢谢。 -guest:cl; 2001-2-28 (#29135@0)
最好的当然是西安（Western Otario)了,其他的如U of T, York都不错。 -wutengfang(Terence); 2001-3-23 (#36215@0)

@Florida

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