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dennis2(Dennis)

OK, I only installed Solaris 8 for Intel once and that was quite a while back... I don't remember I had major problem though.

Anyway, I'll give it a try when I have time (probably this weekend). One other thing is, which Maintenance Update you are using? The lastest is MU5 (or 4/01?). I heard that 4/01 changed a lot from the original Solaris 8.

Also, if you can catch the full path in "Cannot mount root on /pci@0,0/... fstype ufs " that'll be great 'cause then we can determine where it failed. I can't remember (or maybe never knew before) where it mounts the root fs during install (I'd assume it should be a ram disk, like any of the free unices).

Also, just out of curious, which version of solaris exam you are going to take? Or is it not SCSA at all? (I mean it could be java exam.) What I mean is that if you want to take solaris 7, better think about it again since solaris 9 beta is going to be out soon :-).

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有的网站禁止使用想netants这样的下载工具不知道是不是这么会事儿？ -bigdesk(NightLight); 2001-8-10 (#161852@0)

It's been a while since I last downloaded them... -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-8-10 {1949} (#161877@0)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛For StarOffice 5.2, you should be able to download about 10 smaller chunks rather than a big 99MB file, that makes life a lot easier.

I think Netscape is included in Solaris 8? Albeit that's an older version. If you want to use Netscape 6.x, I'd suggest you try out Mozilla 0.9.3, upon which Netscape 6.x was built. See http://www.mozilla.org.

When downloading big files over intermittent link, I'd like to use wget, a GNU utility. If you are using Solaris, you should be able to get it from:
http://www.sunfreeware.com

If you are using Windows, you can get a pure win32 version (not using things like cygnus) from:
http://www.edv.agrar.tu-muenchen.de/~syring/win32/UnxUtils.html

For usage, you might want to refer to GNU's document:
http://www.gnu.org/manual/wget-1.5.3/html_chapter/wget_toc.html

I typically use it like this:

wget -c -t 0 -o logfile <URL> &

"-c" is for continue downloading if interrupted.
"-t 0" is for retrying infinite times.
"-o logfile" is to put output into file "logfile", otherwise it will just print out on the screen.
"<URL>" can be either http:// or ftp://.
"&" is only for unix, to put it into background. If you have a machine that is always up, you might want to add "nohup" at the very beginning so you can logoff without terminating it.

I used to use wget with cron to download Mozilla's nightly build at night, so each morning when I came in, I got the lastest Mozilla build. But sometimes it screws things up, well that's the price of being at bleeding edge :-)

You can download Mozilla/Netscape this way, but I don't think you can download StarOffice this way because they are using session tracking (I believe). To solve the problem, you might want to try using Netscape 4.7x's download manager (only available in Windows version?) which supports download resuming. I think realplayer also has similar functionality, don't know why.

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Really an expert you are! Please come in! -laoyou(老油); 2001-8-13 {685} (#164745@0)
您告诉我的那些资源我会慢慢研究.

我这两天想试着装Solaris8 for Intel, 又碰到问题,不知您老人家是否装过.

试过好几台PC就是不行:
光盘启动,连按F2, 选过CD作为安装设备之后,
Booting Kernel/unix...
...
Cannot mount root on /pci@0,0/... fstype ufs
...
...

skipping system dump, no dump device configured
rebooting..

然后就重新启动,还有些提示都还来不及看清.

光盘是崭新的,应该没有读不出的问题,而且试过Multi_icd_sol_8_ia 和 SOl_8_ia_1两张盘,都是一样的结果.唯一的区别是前者好象默认Webstart安装方式,而后者会让我选Interactive 还是Jumpstart.

我是初学者,但安装过很多次Solaris7.觉得Solaris7很好安装,只不过需要用软盘启动,然后连续按F2就可以了.听说Solari8更好安装,没想到至今没有成功。

Please don't treat me as an expert because I am not... -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-8-13 {937} (#165143@0)
OK, I only installed Solaris 8 for Intel once and that was quite a while back... I don't remember I had major problem though.

Anyway, I'll give it a try when I have time (probably this weekend). One other thing is, which Maintenance Update you are using? The lastest is MU5 (or 4/01?). I heard that 4/01 changed a lot from the original Solaris 8.

Also, if you can catch the full path in "Cannot mount root on /pci@0,0/... fstype ufs " that'll be great 'cause then we can determine where it failed. I can't remember (or maybe never knew before) where it mounts the root fs during install (I'd assume it should be a ram disk, like any of the free unices).

Also, just out of curious, which version of solaris exam you are going to take? Or is it not SCSA at all? (I mean it could be java exam.) What I mean is that if you want to take solaris 7, better think about it again since solaris 9 beta is going to be out soon :-).

Really appreciate your reply! -laoyou(老油); 2001-8-13 {1606} (#165618@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I have many years experience with LAN, NT, but nearly no experience with Unix. So I think I'd better have a certificate of SCSA.
And I don't know which one should I take, Soaris 7 or 8. One friend here suggests Solaris7, and I have many materials about Soalris7, and 2 discs( one OS, the other one includes adminsuite, disksuite, Webserver, etc.) So I think I'd better take Solaris7.

A few weeks ago, I got 5 discs of Solaris 8:
Multi_ICD_SOL_8_IA 1
SOL_8_IA & SOL_8_IA_2
SOL_8_LANG_IA *2

I don't know how to determine whether it's 4/01, but I think it should be a early version. I got from Sun web site that the file name of Solaris8 I can download now is something like "sol-8-4_01-install-fcs-bin-ia-ml.zip"

I hope I can try them before make a copy of these discs, but I didn't expect that I always failed with them. (I ever installed Solaris7 for more than 10 times, never failed.)
Since the PC reboots very soon after the problem, I couldn't record the full path of "/pci@0,0/...", but I guess it should be the CDROM device.

I hope to get your advice on:
1. Which version of Solaris is most popular in Canada? And which applications are most popular running on Solaris? It's Webserver, Oracle,Staroffice....?
2.Whether a SCSA of Solaris7 can be a supplement for me to help me on job hunting in Canada?
3. Maybe it's a bug and should be solved in the new version 4/01?
4. Since Solaris9 will come out soon, maybe I needn't copy these discs of Soalris8 at all?
5. I also got trouble with installation of Staroffice, should I spend more time on it?

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Sorry I was quite busy these days. -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-8-15 {4874} (#167609@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛> I have many years experience with LAN, NT, but nearly
> no experience with Unix. So I think I'd better have a certificate
> of SCSA.

If you don't have experience, the certificate doesn't really help a lot, but it never hurts to have one beside your NT experience so when someone wants to hire a senior NT guy with knowledge of unix, you'll be a very good candidate. Then you can accumulate your unix experience little by litte.

On the other hand, believe it or not, it's not easy to find a really good NT guy although there are tons of MCSE out there (most of them are just paper MCSE). I was lucky to have worked with such an expert and learned a lot from him.

> And I don't know which one should I take, Soaris 7 or 8. One
> friend here suggests Solaris7, and I have many materials about
> Soalris7, and 2 discs( one OS, the other one includes adminsuite,
> disksuite, Webserver, etc.) So I think I'd better take Solaris7.

Doesn't matter. If you want to take Solaris 7, go for it. The exam for each version of Solaris is different, which means even if you are Solaris 8 certified, in theory it doesn't necessarily mean that you are qualified to admin a Solaris 2.6 box.

[...]

> I don't know how to determine whether it's 4/01, but I think
> it should be a early version. I got from Sun web site that the
> file name of Solaris8 I can download now is something like
> "sol-8-4_01-install-fcs-bin-ia-ml.zip"

Yeah, that's the 4/01 (April 2001) one, and the media kit for 7/01 was just out, though not yet available for download. I think my media kit is 1/01 one, and I just installed it once without problems.

> I hope I can try them before make a copy of these discs,
> but I didn't expect that I always failed with them. (I ever
> installed Solaris7 for more than 10 times, never failed.)
> Since the PC reboots very soon after the problem, I couldn't
> record the full path of "/pci@0,0/...", but I guess it should
> be the CDROM device.

Another thing you might want to try is to get your hands on another PC if you can, just to eliminate the hardware problem. I'm not saying there's problem with your PC since you've installed Solaris 7 over 10 times, but hey, you never know.

> I hope to get your advice on:

Sure.

>1. Which version of Solaris is most popular in Canada?
> And which applications are most popular running on
> Solaris? It's Webserver, Oracle,Staroffice....?

Hard to say. I believe there are still Solaris 2.51 being used out there, even some SunOS 4.1.3 box are still around (eg. the one that runs OpenBSD's web site at University of Alberta). Some people are just prefer SunOS 4.x because it is BSD based (while SunOS 5.x which is Solaris 2.x is SysV based). Anyway, the philosophy in unix world is that if it's not broken, don't fix it.

For the applications, in the big corporate world there are usually things like SAP, Oracle and some in house developed apps. Web server on Solaris is usually Netscape (now iplanet) Enterprise or FastTrack web server, though Sun now ships Apache with Solaris 8 (but that's an older version).

Actually I think you brought up a very good point, which is that for unix admin, the skill sets are usually combined with other applications (e.g., database) beside unix.

> 2.Whether a SCSA of Solaris7 can be a supplement for me to
> help me on job hunting in Canada?

To some extent. See above.

> 3. Maybe it's a bug and should be solved in the new version 4/01?

There are always bugs in software and it's the duty of sysadmin to patch their systems diligently (esp. with security patch). Witness the Code Red worm, the patch has been out for a long time and people are just ignoring it.

From what I heard, 4/01 did have some significant change but I know very little about it (you might want to check the release note).

> 4. Since Solaris9 will come out soon, maybe I needn't copy these
> discs of Soalris8 at all?

Argh, I think I was misleading. OK, for new version of Solaris, it will take some time to beta testing it, and roughly after 1 year of the formal release, the exam for that version will be out. So we won't see the exam util early 2003. As I said above, each version of Solaris is different to some extent, and I don't know how many people out there actually adopted Solaris 8.

So, get as much versions of Solaris as you can and play with them if you have time. Blank CDs are dirt cheap now.

> 5. I also got trouble with installation of Staroffice, should I spend
> more time on it?

StarOffice is relatively new, and is Sun's strategy to compete with MS Office on the desktop side. If you don't have enough time, don't bother. But what kind of problem do you have? Have you read the installation guide carefully?

> Thanks again!

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