sailor(Ocean & Mountain)
The FDA warned Americans to never use medications like Ivermectin that “is intended for animals.” They called it a horse drug. Now a clinical trial conducted by MedinCells and surprisingly funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation confirmed the safety of ivermectin taken daily in oral form. According to the press release, there were no…
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Last Updated: 2022-1-11
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枫下家园 / 医药保健 / Research Study Funded by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Confirms the Safety of Continuous Administration of Ivermectin
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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The FDA warned Americans to never use medications like Ivermectin that “is intended for animals.” They called it a horse drug. Now a clinical trial conducted by MedinCells and surprisingly funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation confirmed the safety of ivermectin taken daily in oral form. According to the press release, there were no…
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Dig deep into it
-111111(快乐老家);
2022-1-11
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人们心里清楚,打压有效药物是为了推那个不防传染的药水
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2022-1-11
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“有效”?到目前为止没有一个国家认为有效
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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不尊重科学、不尊重生命,是真正的大流行病
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2022-1-11
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所有的国家都不尊重科学,生命了?这打击面也太广了吧
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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不是所有国家都这样。有的国家就使用了有效药物,取得了好的效果。这个坛子已经讨论了很多。
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2022-1-11
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好像只有中国采用土办法控制住了疫情,其他国家都在struggle
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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要先搞清楚服得到底是兽药还是人药,其次是有效性与安全性为两回事情.不能因为安全就什么药都往嘴里倒
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-1-11
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还是继续观察印度疫情吧
-wifi(远方);
2022-1-11
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目前是日增18万,今年以来兽药模范邦增加了12倍,疫苗模范邦增加了2.2倍,均为7日均线数据
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-1-11
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如果兽药有效,那销量应该比较可观吧
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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销量好到卖光了, 疫情也就又严重了
-micah(mica);
2022-1-11
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唉,疫苗骗人,兽药唬人,看看人血馒头好使不
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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伊维菌素多的是,但是某些政客们不让医生开处方、不让民众购买,只顾着逼民众打那个不防传染的药水;还修改疫苗的定义,以便称那个药水为“疫苗”。
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2022-1-11
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FDA为什么不批准?政府为什么不推广。和GDP相比,疫苗才有几个钱,政府发钱发老了去了。社会停摆的后果远大于疫苗挣的钱
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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FDA不需要批准,医生本来就有off-label处方权;政府不推广也行,只要不禁止就行了。
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2022-1-11
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所有政府都禁止吗?为什么不告政府
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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政府用你的钱跟你打官司,你会动不动去告政府么?事实上有团体正在告政府。美国那么多案子没看到?
-lifyy(lifyy);
2022-1-11
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官司打赢之前只能听政府的,否则有人想吃,有人不想吃,就乱了
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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老大,你得看剂量呀!每天每公斤100ug,75Kg的人每天剂量才7.5mg。你自己看看你买的药剂量是多少呀。
-coolrock(coolrock);
2022-1-11
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100ug = 0.1mg. The study dose for 3 days is 0.3mg/KG. When I took it for prevention purpose, it's 0.2mg/KG for 3 days. Only 2/3 of the dose in the study.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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你问问看论坛吃IVM治疗的人剂量是多少呀?
-coolrock(coolrock);
2022-1-11
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Continuous administration refers to prevention. For treatment, the dose is from 0.4mg/KG to 0.6mg/KG, and takes only 5 days.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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研究说100ug每公斤安全不等于4-6倍剂量是安全的。每天喝8杯水很安全,一年365天每天如此没有一点问题。你试试每天32-48杯水,连续5天,看看安全不安全。
-coolrock(coolrock);
2022-1-11
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That's the protocol developed by FLCCC through their clinical trials.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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I am not aware FLCCC has published any peer reviewed clinical trails conducted by themselves. Can you provide a link?
-curve(curve);
2022-1-11
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贫穷国家没有买新药的资源,评估老药救大众是有现实意义的
-walkthrough(nil);
2022-1-11
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Agree! The result in Uttar Pradesh, India is quite inspiring.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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不管你信不信,关于药物先看看FDA怎么说应该是个正确的开始。其次同样是IVM,人用和兽用的区分开算常识吧。就说你认为FDA有天大的阴谋不让民众用IVM,试点人吃的IVM也该是极限了吧?非要按体重吃自己给牲畜吃的,我是无话可说,人和牲畜差的只是重量么?
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.
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你这是“何不食肉糜”啊。人用的IVM得买得到才能试啊。
-jackliu8688(Jack);
2022-1-11
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非用兽药不行?FDA,政府医院都是阴谋?难道老大发的贴子比尔梅琳达基金支持的是在人身上试的兽用版IVM?人家试给人用的,你就非要吃给兽用的?
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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既然买不到,你们又是如何确定它有效呢
-reng(zhuan);
2022-1-11
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你已经说得够多了,看完你说的话,我只想笑,哈哈哈!
-lovedrive(深蓝爷爷);
2022-1-11
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看完有人把牛的体重说成10lbs计算自己的兽药用量我都笑得停不下。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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To be honest, I don't know the detailed difference between human version and animal version. I tried but couldn't find such info online.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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纯度肯定是不一样的,比如说抗生素,目前世界上生产的绝大多数抗生素是给动物用的,生产标准和要求是不一样的。
-coolrock(coolrock);
2022-1-11
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Agree on the part about purity. I can tell from the look. A human pill of 6mg is much smaller than an animal one of 5mg. But does purity matter?
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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你想,你这药片一片得有几百毫克了,可伊维菌素的成分只有5-6毫克,大部分都是佐剂成分吧,区别就在这里。
-lovedrive(深蓝爷爷);
2022-1-11
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那就看不纯的那些成分是啥了。我们村里就有老头拿工业酒精自己勾兑白酒喝,长期下来喝瞎了双眼。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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请问你到底是知道呢?还是不懂装懂?
-lovedrive(深蓝爷爷);
2022-1-11
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FDA上也只是笼统地说兽药有inactive ingredients not evaluated. 对非活性成分人用药和兽用药执行的标准不一样,这种未知就是风险所在。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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哦?是吗?疫苗厂家也有说明:对不同孕期胎儿的影响也是“未知”,请问这是不是“风险所在”?
-lovedrive(深蓝爷爷);
2022-1-11
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当然是风险所在,否则人家单独说明干嘛? 你肚子有孩子的话,还要打疫苗就要自己承担这个未知风险了。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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可加拿大政府不是这样说的,它们说疫苗对孕妇是安全的,还鼓励孕妇尽早打疫苗。
-lovedrive(深蓝爷爷);
2022-1-11
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不过是某些政府官员基于他们的了解对这个未知的风险做出的他们的解读。他们的说法对民众只是一种建议,最终决定权还是在你手上。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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首先,这不是“某些官员”的解读,这是加拿大卫生部门的结论,是权威的官方意见。
-lovedrive(深蓝爷爷);
2022-1-11
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连你都可以不听,何必还谈权威?再权威也只是个意见,没有数据的验证哪里来的结论?他能把疫苗上的未知拿掉那才算权威。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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我有个疑问,象老大工作的那种地方,不打疫苗停止发薪,那孕妇能不能豁免?刚怀孕的妇女一般还是上班的吧。
-blueskygg(Grass);
2022-1-11
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不知道啊,孕妇可以据理力争吧。就是现在争不过,以后也还可以索偿吧。声明一下,我在这探讨兽药该不该用不是说我支持强制疫苗。我始终认为疫苗应该是个人具有最终选择权。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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所以,政府的所谓“权威结论”有时就是个笑话,这就是个再好不过的例子,可惜有些迷信“政府权威”的孕妇,倒了大霉了。
-lovedrive(深蓝爷爷);
2022-1-11
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两个事情你非要搅一起谈。疫苗我也不支持强制,但同样我对反疫苗就要以身试兽药并大力宣传的持怀疑态度。
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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而药品生产管理规范则是卫生部发的
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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除审批时标准不同外,生产时标准也不同,中国兽药生产质量管理规范是农业部发的:
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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Yes. But we still don't know exactly what is the detailed difference, e.g. the other ingredients in the animal version, besides the chemical ivermectin.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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没人做区分这事本身难道不是因为没人认为有人会去吃兽药版?
-mantis(虾钟钱);
2022-1-11
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Well, I took animal version for a few weeks. If human version were available, I didn't have to do it. Personally I believe that the risk of COVID and jabs outweighs the unknown ingredients in animal Ivermectin.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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it says 100 µg / kg / day in continuous administration over 1 month, what about after a month, and is 6mg/day enough for prevention or treatment?
-curve(curve);
2022-1-11
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I took 10mg once every 3 days, for prevention.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-1-11
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