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好文转贴.

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛CONTACT按: 难得的好文. 原载卑诗阳光, 作者老_狐狸. 在下本想把它翻成国文, 现决定先转贴让大家练练英语先(注: 假如连这篇英语看得都头大, 最好就不要出国了). 在下目前正在写"五谈美国和加拿大", 主要讲两国的华人地位, DX们有何建议请发妹儿给我.


I have both US green card and Canadian PR status. I have lived in Canada for 2 years and 4 months. I lived in the US for 8 years before I came to Canada. I should say that there are pros and cons living in each side of the US-Canada border.

Frankly, Chinese immigrants in Canada are spoiled kids. They only know to complain. They are legal permanent residents from their first day stepping on this land, entitled to all rights (except the right to vote) and social welfares. They can openly look for jobs; they receive free health care, child benefits, GST benefits, free English language training, etc; they can get graduate or undergraduate education to strengthen their beckground and to gain a stronger footing in the job market with expenses that are trivial in the US standard; they can even easily get student loan to cover their tuitions and family expenses for their education. All those are only in the dream for those Chinese students struggling in the US schools.

In the US, it is not rare to hear insulting words targeting at Chinese; it is not rare to hear of someone being yelled at or even beaten by the Americans. But in Canada, those, if exist at all, are extremely rare. That is not to say that there is no racial discrimination in Canada. There sure is. Canadian racial discrimination is more of a hidden and under-the surface type: the employers insist hiring people with "Canadian experience"; foreign professional credentials are not well recognized here.

In the US, there is a strong mainstream culture, thinking, ideology or social convention dominated by the WASP. In Canada, the apparent mainstream thinking is multiculturalism (I don't really like the Canadian multiculturalism). The Chinese community in Toronto is much more aggressive and visible than their counterparts in New York, San Francisco and LA. In average, Canadians are better educated and more liberal, while Americans are morally and socially more conservative and hard working.

In my impression, the Chinese living in the US have a more positive and active attitude toward their life in their new environment than the Chinese living in Canada. Most Chinese students in the US understand that they have to go through many years of hardship to realize their dream, while many, if not all, Chinese living in Canada had dreamed they could find a good job and buy a house in no time.

Canada is a large country in terms of surface area, but a small country in terms of population and size of economy. It is smaller than the State of California in terms of population and economy. Therefore, suppose you have legal immigration status, US offers you much more opportunities and a larger stage to prosper and excel, while Canada is a safe, clean and relaxed place to live. US is like your living room and Canada is like your kitch or bathroom: your living room is much bigger and better decorated than your kitchen and bathroom, but you can never relax yourself in your living room as much as in your kitch or bathroom.

It is really hard to compare which country offers the best living, all depending on what you want and what you value for your life.
If you are ambitious and want a life full of changes, challenges, surprises and opportunities, I think China is the best place for you. If you want big houses, big and expensive cars (maybe boats too), and fat bank accounts and stock shares, you better go to live in the US. If you like a life full of inspiration from art and culture, if you have interest and taste in history, tradition, culture, art and philosophy, you may want to live in Europe. If you enjoy a relaxed and peaceful life, if you love real outdoors and real clean environment, if you like enriched and harmonious communities, you should come to live in Canada. Unfortunately, we seldom have the luxuary to choose, often our first priority is to survive. In the US, you enjoy greater job opportunities, but you suffer the hell in waiting for your green card; in Canada, you enjoy a easy "green card", but you suffer a magre job market.

No matter where we Chinese live, no matter what situations we are in, we should keep optimistic. Bread will come, milk will come, everything will come. I am not comforting you, it is true; look at those who have come earlier, they have well settled down. Patience, endurance, and hard work will eventually pay off.

There is no need and no sense to argue who is supeior and who is inferior between Chinese living on both side of the 49 parallel. We are all new comers on this continent, we are seeds for the following generations of Chinese on this land. We all contribute to the Chinese existence on this continent. You may not want to stay being a Chinese, that's fine. But it will be sad if you desperately want to join "them" or if you feel that you are already one of "them", while "they" still regard you as an "alien", an "outsider" by your skin color, accent and habits. Japan has once aspired to "leave Asia and join Europe", but they have never regarded or accepted as "one of us" by the Europeans and Americans. In terms of culture, history, morality and civilization, as a nation, we Chinese are next to none. We should be proud of that.

As long as you still consider yourself a Chinese, you have no reason to fight against, look down on, tease or humilliate your fellow countrymen. We are minority and somewhat discriminated on this land. We should offer comfort, encouragement, sympathy and any possible help to each other.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下茶话 / 社会 / 好文转贴.
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛CONTACT按: 难得的好文. 原载卑诗阳光, 作者老_狐狸. 在下本想把它翻成国文, 现决定先转贴让大家练练英语先(注: 假如连这篇英语看得都头大, 最好就不要出国了). 在下目前正在写"五谈美国和加拿大", 主要讲两国的华人地位, DX们有何建议请发妹儿给我.


    I have both US green card and Canadian PR status. I have lived in Canada for 2 years and 4 months. I lived in the US for 8 years before I came to Canada. I should say that there are pros and cons living in each side of the US-Canada border.

    Frankly, Chinese immigrants in Canada are spoiled kids. They only know to complain. They are legal permanent residents from their first day stepping on this land, entitled to all rights (except the right to vote) and social welfares. They can openly look for jobs; they receive free health care, child benefits, GST benefits, free English language training, etc; they can get graduate or undergraduate education to strengthen their beckground and to gain a stronger footing in the job market with expenses that are trivial in the US standard; they can even easily get student loan to cover their tuitions and family expenses for their education. All those are only in the dream for those Chinese students struggling in the US schools.

    In the US, it is not rare to hear insulting words targeting at Chinese; it is not rare to hear of someone being yelled at or even beaten by the Americans. But in Canada, those, if exist at all, are extremely rare. That is not to say that there is no racial discrimination in Canada. There sure is. Canadian racial discrimination is more of a hidden and under-the surface type: the employers insist hiring people with "Canadian experience"; foreign professional credentials are not well recognized here.

    In the US, there is a strong mainstream culture, thinking, ideology or social convention dominated by the WASP. In Canada, the apparent mainstream thinking is multiculturalism (I don't really like the Canadian multiculturalism). The Chinese community in Toronto is much more aggressive and visible than their counterparts in New York, San Francisco and LA. In average, Canadians are better educated and more liberal, while Americans are morally and socially more conservative and hard working.

    In my impression, the Chinese living in the US have a more positive and active attitude toward their life in their new environment than the Chinese living in Canada. Most Chinese students in the US understand that they have to go through many years of hardship to realize their dream, while many, if not all, Chinese living in Canada had dreamed they could find a good job and buy a house in no time.

    Canada is a large country in terms of surface area, but a small country in terms of population and size of economy. It is smaller than the State of California in terms of population and economy. Therefore, suppose you have legal immigration status, US offers you much more opportunities and a larger stage to prosper and excel, while Canada is a safe, clean and relaxed place to live. US is like your living room and Canada is like your kitch or bathroom: your living room is much bigger and better decorated than your kitchen and bathroom, but you can never relax yourself in your living room as much as in your kitch or bathroom.

    It is really hard to compare which country offers the best living, all depending on what you want and what you value for your life.
    If you are ambitious and want a life full of changes, challenges, surprises and opportunities, I think China is the best place for you. If you want big houses, big and expensive cars (maybe boats too), and fat bank accounts and stock shares, you better go to live in the US. If you like a life full of inspiration from art and culture, if you have interest and taste in history, tradition, culture, art and philosophy, you may want to live in Europe. If you enjoy a relaxed and peaceful life, if you love real outdoors and real clean environment, if you like enriched and harmonious communities, you should come to live in Canada. Unfortunately, we seldom have the luxuary to choose, often our first priority is to survive. In the US, you enjoy greater job opportunities, but you suffer the hell in waiting for your green card; in Canada, you enjoy a easy "green card", but you suffer a magre job market.

    No matter where we Chinese live, no matter what situations we are in, we should keep optimistic. Bread will come, milk will come, everything will come. I am not comforting you, it is true; look at those who have come earlier, they have well settled down. Patience, endurance, and hard work will eventually pay off.

    There is no need and no sense to argue who is supeior and who is inferior between Chinese living on both side of the 49 parallel. We are all new comers on this continent, we are seeds for the following generations of Chinese on this land. We all contribute to the Chinese existence on this continent. You may not want to stay being a Chinese, that's fine. But it will be sad if you desperately want to join "them" or if you feel that you are already one of "them", while "they" still regard you as an "alien", an "outsider" by your skin color, accent and habits. Japan has once aspired to "leave Asia and join Europe", but they have never regarded or accepted as "one of us" by the Europeans and Americans. In terms of culture, history, morality and civilization, as a nation, we Chinese are next to none. We should be proud of that.

    As long as you still consider yourself a Chinese, you have no reason to fight against, look down on, tease or humilliate your fellow countrymen. We are minority and somewhat discriminated on this land. We should offer comfort, encouragement, sympathy and any possible help to each other.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 试译(使用译星2002),要是觉得看英文累,就凑合着看机器翻译的吧。
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛我有美国绿卡和加拿大人PR状态。 我已生活在加拿大2年和4个月。 我有生活在美国在我来到加拿大之前8年。 我应该说有赞成的和反对的在美国加拿大边界的每一方面中生活。

      在加拿大中的坦率,中国的移民是扰乱的孩子。 他们仅仅知道抱怨。 他们从他们在这陆地上走的第一天是法律的永久居民,授权到好(除权力之外投票)和社会福利。 他们能公开寻找工作; 他们收到自由的保健,孩子有益于,GST有益于,自由的英语语言训练等等; 他们能得到毕业生或者大学生教育加强他们的beckground在工作市场并且赢得一种较强壮的状况在美国标准中是微不足道的的花费; 他们能甚至容易地使学生贷款为了他们的教育可付清他们的学费和家庭花费。 所有那些在那些在美国学校奋斗的中国的学生的梦想中仅仅。

      在美国,听到瞄准到汉语的侮辱的词汇是不稀有; 听到是不稀有有人在叫喊或者被美国人甚至打击。 但是,在加拿大,那些,如果根本存在,是极端稀有的。 那不是说没有加拿大的种族的歧视。 在那里明确。 加拿大的种族的歧视更加关于隐藏和表面类型: 雇主坚持租人们“加拿大人经验”; 外国的专业的凭证在这里不是承认好。

      在美国,有一种强壮的主流文化,思想,意识形态或者被WASP控制的社会的大会。 在加拿大,明显主流思想是multiculturalism (我确实不喜欢加拿大人multiculturalism )。 在多伦多中的中国的社区比他们的纽约,旧金山和LA中的相对应者侵略得多和可以见到。 平均起来,加拿大人是更好的教育和更自由主义,而美国人精神上和社会更多保守党人和艰难的working.

      在我的印象中,中国人在美国中生活在加拿大有比中国人生活更多对他们的他们的新的环境中的生活的积极和活跃的态度。 大多数在美国中的中国的学生理解他们不得不经过许多多年的艰苦实现他们的梦想,当时许多,如果并非所有,在加拿大中生活曾经梦见的中国人他们能找到一利益工作并且立即购买一房屋。

      在表面区域方面加拿大是一个大的国家,但是一个小的国家在人口和经济的大小方面。 在人口和经济方面它小于加利福尼亚的国家。 因此,假设你有法律的移居状态,美国将更多得多机会和一个较大的阶段提供给你繁荣并且优于,而加拿大是一个保险箱,的清洁的和放松的地方活。 美国是像你的起居室一样,而加拿大是像你的kitch或者洗澡间一样: 你的起居室比你的厨房和洗澡间大得多和更好装饰,但是你绝不会在你的作为在你的kitch或者洗澡间一样多的起居室中放松你自己。

      比较是确实困难哪一国家提供最好活着,全都依赖于你所想要的,以及什么你为了你的生活评价。
      如果你雄心勃勃并且想要充满变化,挑战,惊讶和机会的一种生活,我想中国是你的最好的地方。 如果你想要大的房屋,大和昂贵的汽车(也也许,划船),和肥胖的银行帐户和储备共享,你更好去生活在美国。 如果如果你在历史,传统,文化,艺术和哲学中有兴趣和味道,你从艺术和文化喜欢充满灵感的一种生活,,你能想要生活在欧洲。 如果如果如果你喜欢丰富和协调的社区,你在户外爱真正,你喜欢一种放松和和平的生活,和真正的清洁的环境,,你应该来生活在加拿大。 遗憾地,我们很少有luxuary要选择,经常我们第一优先是幸免于。 在美国,你喜欢较更大的工作机会,但是你蒙受对于你的绿卡侍奉的地狱; 在加拿大,你喜欢容易的“绿卡”,但是你蒙受一个magre工作市场。

      无论在何处我们活的中国人,无论形势我们是在中的,我们应该保持乐观。 面包将到来,牛奶将到来,每件事将到来。 我不安慰你,它是真实的; 看早些时候来的那些人,他们已安置充分下来。 耐心,忍耐,和艰苦的工作将终于支付。

      没有需要和没有感觉争辩supeior是谁,以及在中国人之间是劣等的在平行的49的两边上生活。 我们是在这大陆上的都新的前来的人,我们是这陆地上的如下若干代的中国人的种子。 我们大家都在这大陆上促进中国的存在。 你可能不想要停留是一个中国人,是那好的。 但是,它将悲伤如果你不顾一切的需要加入“他们”或者如果你感到你是“他们”已经之一,而“他们”仍然认为将你是一“不同”,你的皮肤颜色,口音和习惯的一“局外人”。 日本有曾经一度渴望“离开亚洲并且加入欧洲”,但是他们从不通过欧洲人和美国人认为或者被认为是“我们中的一个人”。 在文化,历史,道德和文明方面,当一个国家中国人在任何旁边时,我们。 我们应该对那个感到骄傲。

      当时长当你仍然认为你自己一个中国人时,你没有原因与进行战斗,轻视,嘲弄或者humilliate你的伙伴countrymen。 我们是少数民族并且在这陆地上有些区别。 我们应该向提供安慰,鼓励,同情心和任何可能的帮助相互。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • 比英文看得还累.